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The discussion centers on a derivation related to the Poynting Theorem from Griffiths' "Introduction to Electrodynamics." The main issue arises from a misunderstanding of the charge element, where the participant incorrectly uses q = ρ_v dτ instead of dq = ρ dτ, leading to confusion in the derivation of work done by electromagnetic forces. The correct expression for the rate of work done is given as dW/dt = ∫_v (E · J) dτ, which incorporates the integral over the volume. Additionally, the participant questions why the book does not specify that ρ_v must be constant for the integration to be valid. This highlights the need for clarity in assumptions when applying the theorem.
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This is in page 346 of Griffiths "Introduction to Electrodynamics". This is regarding to work done by electromagnetic forces dW acting on charges in the interval dt.

dW = \vec F \cdot d \vec l =q( \vec E + \vec v X \vec B) \cdot d \vec l = q( \vec E + \vec v X \vec B) \cdot \vec v d t \;\;\hbox { Where }\; \vec v \;\hbox { is velocity, and }\; d \vec l = \vec v dt

\vec v X \vec B \;\hbox { is perpendicular to }\; \vec v \;\;\Rightarrow \; (\vec v X \vec B) \cdot \vec v \;=\; 0.

\hbox { Therefore }\; dW = \vec F \cdot d \vec l = q \vec E \cdot \vec v dt = \vec E \cdot \vec J d\tau d t

\hbox { Where }\; q=\rho_v d\tau, \;\hbox { and } \; \vec J = \rho_v \vec v

Here is where I have problem. From above:

\frac { d W}{dt} = (\vec E \cdot \vec J) d\tau

But the book gave:

\frac { d W}{dt} = \int_v (\vec E \cdot \vec J) d\tau

What is wrong with my derivation?
 
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Your equation q=\rho_v d\tau is wrong. It should be dq, so that actually,

q=\int_V \rho d\tau

so now the integral is there.
 
Matterwave said:
Your equation q=\rho_v d\tau is wrong. It should be dq, so that actually,

q=\int_V \rho d\tau

so now the integral is there.

Thanks.
 
I have another question

dW = \vec F \cdot d \vec l =q( \vec E + \vec v X \vec B) \cdot d \vec l = q( \vec E + \vec v X \vec B) \cdot \vec v d t \;\;\hbox { Where }\; \vec v

dq=\rho_v d\tau, \;\hbox { and } \; \vec J = \rho_v \vec v

d \vec l = \vec v dt \Rightarrow\; dW = \vec F \cdot d \vec l = q \vec E \cdot \vec v dt = (\int_{v'} \rho_v dv') \;\vec E \;\cdot \;\vec v dt \;=\; \vec E \;\cdot\; [ (\int_{v'} \rho_v dv') \;\vec v ]\; dt

In order to move \;(\int_{v'} \rho_v dv')\; to combine with \vec v , \; \rho_v \; has to be a constant independent to spatial position. But the book did not specify this. Why?
 
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