Question reagarding liminf definition

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the limit inferior (liminf) of a sequence, specifically examining its properties and relationships to the elements of the sequence itself.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand whether the liminf is necessarily greater than or less than all members of the sequence. Other participants explore the implications of the liminf being the least upper bound of subsequential limits.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the relationship between the liminf and the sequence members, noting that there is no requirement for the liminf to be smaller or larger than all terms in the sequence. The discussion includes examples to illustrate these points, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are examining the definition and properties of liminf within the constraints of the sequence provided, questioning assumptions about its relationship to individual sequence elements.

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[itex] <br /> a = \lim \bigg( \inf \{ a_k | k\geq n\} \bigg) [/itex]

the sequence
[itex] <br /> \inf \{ a_k | k\geq n \}[/itex]

is non decreasing . its inf gets bigger or not changing in each following sequence
so its limit is its least upper bound

am i correct??
 
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what is the relations between this liminf and
all the members in the sequence

is it bigger or smaller then all of them?
 
There is no requirement that a "liminf" be smaller or larger than all members of the sequence. The liminf of a sequence is the least upper bound of all subsequential limits.

For example, suppose [itex]a_n[/itex] is (n-6)/2n if n is odd, -(n-6)/2n if n is even. Then {[itex]a_n[/itex]} is {-5/2, 1, -1/2, 1/4, -1/10, 0, 1/14, -1/8, ...}. For n odd, we have a sequence that converges to 1/2. For n even, we have a sequence that converges to -1/2. The liminf is the smaller of those, -1/2 but there is a number in the sequence less than -1/2. The limsup is 1/2 but there is a term of the sequence larger than 1/2. We can change any finite number of terms in a sequence with changing any subsequential limits so there cannot be any relation between the limit or liminf or limsup and individual terms of the sequence.
 

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