Evaluating k-a to k+2a for Limit Sum of k*(p^k)*C

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The discussion focuses on evaluating the limit sum of k*(p^k)*C as n approaches infinity, specifically from k = -a to k + 2a, with parameters 0 < p < 1 and a > 0. Participants suggest manipulating the k coefficient to simplify the sum, using derivatives with respect to p. The transformation involves shifting the index of summation to facilitate calculations, leading to a standard summation form. There's a consensus that while a closed-form solution for the sum T(p) is likely available, its exact value remains elusive for some contributors. The conversation highlights the complexity of combinatorial sums and the need for deeper understanding in this area.
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_____n__________k+a
lim sum k*(p^k)*C = ?
___k=-a_________k+2*a
n->infinity

0<p<1
a>0
 
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Sorry bogdan I can't read it. Maybe better to write it down, scan it and post the image...
 
it's sum from -a to infinity of

k*(p^k)*(k+2*a)!/[(k+a)!*a!], where k goes from -a to infinity...

a>0;a->integer;0<p<1;

Got it ?
 
Ok!

First step is to get rid of that ungainly k coefficient. Use the manipulations:

k pk = p (k pk-1)
= p (d/dp) (pk)

So letting S be the sum of interest:

S(p) = p (d/dp) &sum pk (k+2a)! / (a! (k+a)!)

The next step is to shift the sum over to 0..&infin by letting k+a = i:

S(p) = p (d/dp) &sum pi-a (i+a)! / (a! i!)
(i = 0 .. &infin)

Factor out the p-a:

S(p) = p (d/dp) (p-a &sum pi (i + a)! / (a! i!) )

What's left is, I think, a fairly standard summation, but I'll be darned if I can remember its value, so I'll have to compute it again:

T(p) = &sum pi (i+a)! / (a! i!)

Use the identity:

(d/dp)a pi+a = (i+a)!/i! pa

T(p) = (d/dp)a &sum pi+a / i!
= (d/dp)a (pa &sum pi/i!)
= (d/dp)a (pa ep)

So if you know exactly what a is, you can compute T(p) from here, and plug its value into S(p).


However, I'm 99% sure you can do much better, and that the sum T(p) has a nice closed form solution you can plug into S(p)... I just can't remember it.

Hurkyl
 
Hurkyl...you're a genius...
(if the solution is correct...because I don't fully understand it...)
Anyway, thanks...my combinatorics skills are so pathetic...
Unfortunately...even though I have that result...it's quite complicated to finish it...and I'm not too happy because that sum is strictly related to a...oh...no...that's a good thing...:smile:
 
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