Questions about gradient and scalar product

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The discussion centers on the properties of the dot product and gradient operations in various coordinate systems, specifically addressing the general formula for the dot product, gμνAμBν, and its implications for vector magnitudes. It confirms that the dot product of a vector with itself in any coordinate system yields the square of its magnitude, and that the method for finding unit vectors remains consistent across different coordinate systems. The gradient in cylindrical coordinates is analyzed, revealing that the factor of (1/r) is necessary for dimensional consistency, as it relates to the covector basis rather than the tangent vector basis.

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I recently learned that the general formula for the dot product between two vectors A and B is:

gμνAμBν

Well, I now have a few questions:

1. We know how in Cartesian coordinates, the dot product between a vector and itself (in other words A ⋅ A) is equal to the square of the magnitude |A|2. Well does this hold true in the general case as well for any coordinate system? If I do gμνAμAν, will that give me the square of the magnitude of the vector A?

2. We know that in Cartesian coordinates, you can find a unit vector in the direction of any vector by dividing the vector by its magnitude ( in other words by doing this: A / |A| ). Can you use this same method to find said unit vector in any coordinate system (whether it be a set of orthogonal coordinates or curvilinear coordinates)?

3. This next question has to do with the gradient operation. We know that in cylindrical coordinates, the gradient of a function is as follows:

∇U = [r-hat * (∂U/∂r)] + [ θ- hat * (1/r) * (∂U/∂θ)] + [z-hat * (∂U/∂z)]

Note: r-hat, θ-hat and z-hat are all just unit basis vectors.

Now my question is: Why is it (1/r) that is multiplied by θ-hat and (∂U/∂θ) instead of just being r? I know that the unit basis vector θ-hat is equal to eθ/r (where eθ is the original not normalized basis vector). It is for that reason that I would think that r would be in the place of (1/r). If that were the case, then the gradient vector would be expressed as a linear combination of all of the original basis vectors. However, (1/r) * θ-hat simply equals eθ/r2 , which doesn't seem like any special quantity to me. Why then is it (1/r) instead of just r? Thank you.
 
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space-time said:
We know how in Cartesian coordinates, the dot product between a vector and itself (in other words A ⋅ A) is equal to the square of the magnitude |A|2. Well does this hold true in the general case as well for any coordinate system? If I do gμνAμAν, will that give me the square of the magnitude of the vector A?
This is the definition of the magnitude of a vector.

space-time said:
We know that in Cartesian coordinates, you can find a unit vector in the direction of any vector by dividing the vector by its magnitude ( in other words by doing this: A / |A| ). Can you use this same method to find said unit vector in any coordinate system (whether it be a set of orthogonal coordinates or curvilinear coordinates)?
Yes, this will always give you a unit vector. (You can easily show this by insertion.)

space-time said:
Why is it (1/r) that is multiplied by θ-hat and (∂U/∂θ) instead of just being r?
If it would be r, your result would be dimensionally inconsistent. I suggest you first write down the gradient in Cartesian coordinates and then transform the derivatives to polar coordinates using the chain rule
$$
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} + \frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}
$$
and then write the Cartesian basis vectors in terms of the polar ones.

If you want to be more fancy, the partial derivatives (e.g., ##\partial_\theta U## etc) are not the components related to the tangent vector basis (given by ##\vec e_\theta = \partial \vec r/\partial \theta## etc). They are the components related to the covector basis given by ##\vec e^\theta = \nabla\theta## etc.

Edit: Note that the tangent vector and covector bases coincide for a Cartesian coordinate system. For this reason there is no need to distinguish them in a Cartesian system.

space-time said:
equals eθ/r2 , which doesn't seem like any special quantity to me.
It is a special quantity, it is the covector basis and is equal to ##\nabla \theta##.
 

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