Questions about inverting DC to AC

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The discussion revolves around calculating the operational time of a 12V lead-acid battery powering a 100W lamp through a DC to AC inverter, as well as determining the appropriate wattage rating for the inverter needed for such applications. The scope includes practical applications of battery usage, inverter efficiency, and related electrical concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the working time of a 12V 7.2AH battery when connected to a 100W lamp via an inverter.
  • Another participant suggests that the efficiency of the inverter must be considered to determine the power needed as input, estimating that the battery can provide approximately 86.4Wh, leading to a runtime of about 30-50 minutes.
  • There is a discussion on how to calculate the wattage of the inverter, with one participant indicating that the power rating should be based on the output side (220V) and noting that losses in the inverter may affect the input requirements.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the inverter rating must match or exceed the load, stating that a 1000W inverter is necessary for a 1000W load, and discusses the impact of discharge rates on battery capacity.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of rapid discharge on the battery's amp-hour rating, with mention of Peukert's Law and how it relates to battery performance under different load conditions.

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Participants express varying views on the calculations involved, particularly regarding the impact of inverter efficiency and discharge rates on battery capacity. There is no consensus on the exact operational time or the best approach to calculating inverter wattage.

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Participants note that the amp-hour rating of a battery can vary based on discharge rates, temperature, and the battery's age and treatment history. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these calculations.

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Hello,

I have a question, How can I calculate the working time for the following scenario:

I have 12V 7.2AH LEAD ACID SLA DEEP CYCLE BATTERY
Then I used DC 12V to AC 220V Power Inverter USB 1000W to give me AC

I connected one 100w lamp .. For how long it will work ? how can I calculate it


another question .. How can I calculate the watt of the inverter (to know which one I should buy) .. is it 220v x amp ? or 12v x amp ?

thanks
 
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I connected one 100w lamp .. For how long it will work ? how can I calculate it
You will need the efficiency of your converter to find the power needed as input.
Assuming your battery is designed to deliver ~100-150W (check this!), it can store 12V*7.2AH = 86,4Wh, so it will run for something like 30-50 minutes.

another question .. How can I calculate the watt of the inverter (to know which one I should buy) .. is it 220v x amp ? or 12v x amp ?
The power rating of the transformer is probably for the output, so you should use the 220V-side. If the losses in the converter are small, the other side should give a similar result (the current will be much larger there, to account for the lower voltage).
 
For power inverters, the rating is always for the load. If you have 1000W of light bulbs (a resistive load), you need at least a 1000W inverter (can be larger but not smaller).

Something else to consider besides the efficiency of the inverter is your battery. The faster you discharge a battery, the lower the Ah rating becomes. Usually the Ah rating is taken for a 20 hour discharge period. If you discharge over a longer time it actually goes up slightly, but if you were to discharge your battery in say 5 hours, the Ampere-hours you realize can decrease considerably (plus you can damage the battery if the drain is too high).

In your example of a 7.2 Ah battery, the 20 hour rating would result in a 360 milliampere drain (for 20 hours), but with a 100W load, the current drain would be over 8.3 Amperes so the 7.2 Ah battery rating would be diminished substantially. Lower ambient temperatures will also decrease the Ah rating.

Lastly, the Ah rating of a given battery usually falls with the age of the battery and how it has been treated during that lifetime (rate of discharge, depth of discharge, number of discharge cycles, etc.)
 
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