Quick force on the fulcrum of a lever?

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The discussion revolves around a lever problem where the original poster seeks to determine the force on the fulcrum of a lever, specifically in the context of a rowing oar. The forces involved are Fin (80 N) and Fout (21.5 N).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between Fin and Fout, with some suggesting that the force on the fulcrum could be derived from the difference or the sum of these forces. Questions arise regarding the balance of forces acting on the oar and the implications of Newton's third law.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of how to calculate the force on the fulcrum, with various interpretations being considered. Some participants provide insights into the nature of forces acting on the oar, while others seek clarification on the correct approach.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about the forces involved, including the balance of forces and the directionality of Fin and Fout. There is also mention of external resources for further reference.

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I have a lever problem, i wish to find the force on the fulcrum; how do i determine this force?

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Fin = 80 N
Fout= 21.5 N

(yes, usually a lever is supposed to increase your power, but it represents a rowing oar)
 
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No a lever does not increase your power, it increases your force. Power is W/t, and a machine cannot increase the work input. In reality all machines reduce the work since some energy is lost to friction.

But to answer your question, first realize that "Fout" is the force from the oar on the water.

Now you need to determine all the forces that are ON the oar. (Think Newton's 3rd).

Then assume all forces on the oar are balanced (assuming the boat is not accelerating, much).
 
so its just basically the difference between Fin and Fout. Thus in my case, the force on the oar would be Fin-Fout=58.8N; is that right?
 
58.N in the direction of Fout i should say?
 
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anyone have an answer for this?
 
Yes, according to your diagram I would say the difference between Fin and Fout is the force on the fulcrum. But in my experience with oars, I would say Fin and Fout point in the same direction, hence it's the sum. Think only of the forces acting on the oar. Not on the water.
 

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