Quick Question about Electric Fields

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric field lines in relation to charges and electric potential. Participants are exploring the implications of electric field direction, particularly in the context of positive and negative charges, and how this relates to potential energy concepts.

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  • Participants are questioning why electric field lines do not point directly toward negative charges and are discussing the relationship between electric fields and potential energy. Some are considering the implications of electric dipoles and the behavior of field lines in various charge configurations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the direction of electric field lines and their relationship to potential. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by multiple charges, and some participants are affirming the understanding that electric fields point toward regions of lower potential.

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There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion stemming from textbook explanations and the specific wording of the homework question. Participants are reflecting on the implications of the negative sign in the relationship between electric field and potential.

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Electric field lines always point toward:

(_) positive charge
(_) a region of higher potential
(_) ground
(_) a region of lower potential
(X) none of these

Now, i thought that electric fields point towards the negative charge. I submitted my homework, and i missed it. I was just wondering if anyone could explain to me why electric field lines don't point toward a negative charge. Everything i read lead me to that conclusion, so i put "none of these" and missed it. Is the correct answer "a region of lower potential"

I'd just like to know cause i thought i did, but apparently didnt.
 
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Hmmm. That's a tricky one. I think the most accurate answer would have been that electric field lines always originate on + charges and terminate on - charges, like the lines of an electric dipole. And if you think about the dipole and it's E-field fountains, yeah it's true that the E-field doesn't point directly at a charge for a lot of its shape. So I'd be inclined to say that answer (d) above seems pretty close, since E=-grad[V]. Was (d) the correct answer?
 
I believe that's how many undergrad textbooks (somewhat sloppily) put it: [tex]\vec{E}\left(\vec{r}\right)=-\vec{\nabla}V\left(\vec{r}\right)[/tex] implies that the field lines go from a region of lower potential to a region of higher potential.
 
No, the negative sign means that the E field is pointing down the gradient of the potential V, toward a lower potential. Think about what a positive charge does in the presence of an electric field -- it accelerates in the direction of the E field. That means it gains KE and loses PE. Just like a mass accelerates in the direction of the gravitational field, and gains KE and loses PE.
 
berkeman said:
No, the negative sign means that the E field is pointing down the gradient of the potential V, toward a lower potential.

Big whoops. Thanks. I wrote the opposite of what I meant :/

Gravitation is a good analogy, I like that.

To the OP:
You probably remember from classical mechanics that for conservative forces, [tex]\vec{F} = -\vec{\nabla}V[/tex]. A way to think about this is that things subject to this force "want" to get into a state with the lowest possible potential (think of dropping a ball).
 
jakeowens said:
Now, i thought that electric fields point towards the negative charge. I submitted my homework, and i missed it. I was just wondering if anyone could explain to me why electric field lines don't point toward a negative charge. Everything i read lead me to that conclusion, so i put "none of these" and missed it.
If you just had a single negatively-charged point charge, then the field everywhere would point towards the negative charge. But, when there are other charges around, things get more complicated. (For example, what if there were two negative charges? The field everywhere can't point towards both if the charges are separate.)

Note that they wisely did not list "negative charge" as an option.
Is the correct answer "a region of lower potential"
Yes. As others have pointed out, this is always true and is the right answer.
 

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