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The discussion revolves around deriving a differential equation that describes the shape of a plane curve when revolved about the x-axis, specifically focusing on the reflection properties of light rays parallel to the x-axis. The context includes mathematical reasoning and technical exploration of geometry and trigonometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection and uses trigonometric relationships to derive a formula for the slope of the tangent line.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the quadrant selection, suggesting that the point should be represented as P(-x,y) instead of P(x,y) and provides a modified expression for the tangent of the angle.
  • A different approach is mentioned involving the identity for the tangent of half an angle, but the participant expresses difficulty in relating it to the cosine of the angle phi without a right triangle.
  • One participant indicates they have resolved their issue independently after seeking help.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct representation of the point in the coordinate system and the resulting expressions for the tangent. The discussion includes multiple approaches and remains unresolved regarding the best method to derive the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various trigonometric identities and relationships, but there are limitations in the clarity of the geometric interpretations and assumptions about the angles involved. The discussion does not fully resolve the mathematical steps required to derive the differential equation.

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Readers interested in differential equations, geometric properties of curves, and the application of trigonometry in physics and engineering contexts may find this discussion relevant.

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Assume that when the plane curve C shown in the figure is revolved about the x axis, it generates a surface with the property that all light rays L parallel to the x-axis striking the surface at a point P(x,y) are reflected to a single point O (the origin). Use the fact that the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection to determine a differential equation that describes the shape of the curve C.

My work:

The tangent of angle that the tangent line makes with the x-axis is the slope of that tangent line, dy/dx. Using some simple trig, I was able to determine that angle phi = 2theta, so its supplementary angle is 180-2theta. Therefore the angle that the tangent makes with the x-axis is theta. The distance between the origin is sqrt(x^2+y^2), and this is an isoceles triangle, so the distance between the origin and where the tangent line intersects the x-axis is also sqrt(x^2+y^2). Drawing a right triangle to find out what the tangent of theta is, I have a triangle with legs length sqrt(x^2+y^2)-x and y
So I came up with tan theta = dy/dx = y/(sqrt(x^2+y^2)-x). Why does my book say that the answer is (sqrt(x^2+y^2)-x)/y?
 
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You have chosen the second quadrant as your general point so it must be P(-x,y) not P(x,y) which should be located in the first quadrant.

But never mind, we just stick with what you already have. So changing all your x to -x, your right angled triangle should have the sides (x^2+y^2)+x and y.

[tex]tan\theta=\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{y}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}+x} = \frac{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}-x}{y}[/tex]
 
Thanks.

There is another way to do this using the fact that phi is equal to 2* theta & using the identity tan (x/2) = +/- sqrt [(1-cosx)/(1+cosx)] I am having trouble figuring out and expression for the cosine of the angle phi, since I cannot draw in a right triangle.
I have also tried to use the law of sines and law cosines, but I'm not having much luck. Any pointers about how to use this identity?
 
any ideas?
 
Nevermind, I figured it out.
 

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