Radiation Intensity of Dish Antenna - Sean's Question

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The discussion revolves around the radiation intensity of a dish antenna, exploring its dependence on various parameters such as angle and distance. Participants are examining the implications of using spherical coordinates and the concept of symmetry in antenna patterns. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to antenna design and functionality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sean questions why radiation intensity is not considered to vary with the radial distance (rho), suggesting confusion about the implications of this assumption.
  • One participant compares a dish antenna to a parabolic mirror, indicating that it produces a focused beam similar to a flashlight.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the convergence of light from a parabolic mirror versus the divergence of a flashlight beam, questioning the representation of a three-dimensional lobe by a one-variable function.
  • A participant asserts that the reflected light from a parabolic mirror moves away in parallel lines, referencing calculus to support this claim.
  • It is noted that many analysis procedures assume radial symmetry, which can lead to a symmetric antenna pattern, though this may not always hold true in practice due to factors like antenna feed geometry and polarization.
  • Differences in antenna patterns, such as E-plane and H-plane patterns for linearly polarized antennas, are mentioned as factors that can affect radiation intensity.
  • Offset parabolic antennas may exhibit elliptical shapes, breaking the assumed symmetry and affecting the radiation pattern.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding after a clarification about the dependence of radiation intensity on angle and distance, while remaining independent of the rotational angle about the Z axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the concepts discussed, with some clarifications provided but no consensus reached on the implications of radial symmetry or the representation of radiation intensity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding related to the assumptions of symmetry and the mathematical representation of three-dimensional radiation patterns, indicating that these aspects may not be fully resolved.

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the radiation intensity of a dish antenna is supposedly given by K(theta) = blah blah something.

I don't understand why the radiation doesn't also vary in rho. Does this mean that the radiation is the same for all rho? I'm having trouble picturing that in my head I guess.

Thanks;
Sean
 
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A dish antenna is similar to a parabolic mirror.
It produces a beam much like a flashlight.
Does that help any?
 
when i think parabolic mirror i think that as the reflected light moves away from the mirror, it converges. when i think flashlight, i think of a diverging beam of light. is this wrong, too? haha.

in either case, i still don't understand how a three dimensional lobe can be represented by a function of one variable. what am i missing?
 
seang said:
when i think parabolic mirror i think that as the reflected light moves away from the mirror, it converges.

no, it moves away from the mirror in parallel lines.

with a semester of calculus (and the trigonometry you normally get by then), you can actually show that this is the case for a quadratic function (which is the shape of a parabolic mirror).
 
seang said:
the radiation intensity of a dish antenna is supposedly given by K(theta) = blah blah something.

I don't understand why the radiation doesn't also vary in rho. Does this mean that the radiation is the same for all rho? I'm having trouble picturing that in my head I guess.

Thanks;
Sean

If you use spherical coordinates with the Z axis pointing directly out of the dish in the direction of the peak of the lobe, then the radiation intensity is dependent on the angle theta out from the Z axis and dependent on the distance R away from the antenna, but independent of the rotational angle Theta about the Z axis. Does that make sense?
 
seang said:
the radiation intensity of a dish antenna is supposedly given by K(theta) = blah blah something.

I don't understand why the radiation doesn't also vary in rho. Does this mean that the radiation is the same for all rho? I'm having trouble picturing that in my head I guess.

Thanks;
Sean

Many of the analysis procedures assume radial symmetry, which leads to a symmetric antenna pattern. In practice, symmetry is often, but not always the case. For example, the antenna pattern will be dependent on the geometry and polarization of the antenna feed. In the case of linearly polarized antennas, you sometimes will see differences in the so-called E-plane and H-plane patterns. Also, you may see offset parabolic antennas which are more elliptical in shape, which breaks the symmetry of the pattern. (Homes with satellite TV or the VSAT antennas often on top of gas stations are good places to see these.)

As a general rule of thumb for large, round parabolic dishes, however, these differences are usually small and only really affect the sidelobes far away from the main beam.
 
berkeman said:
If you use spherical coordinates with the Z axis pointing directly out of the dish in the direction of the peak of the lobe, then the radiation intensity is dependent on the angle theta out from the Z axis and dependent on the distance R away from the antenna, but independent of the rotational angle Theta about the Z axis. Does that make sense?


wow yeah that makes perfect sense. i don't know what i was thinking. thank you.
 

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