Random Thoughts Part 4 - Split Thread

[collinsmark]

Hee hee.

Today while playing Fallout 4 I entered a room with a chalkboard. The chalkboard was blank with exception of this number, written large on the board:

8.9875517873681764 \times 10^9

So I thought to myself, "Huh, that looks a lot like the electrical constant* expressed in SI units. It appears that one of the developers must have some background in physics or electrical engineering. But in any case, that's an odd reference. Of all the things one could put on a blackboard, why that?"

Then I noticed on a bedside table next to the chalkboard was a copy of "Tesla Science Magazine," upon which reading grants you a permanent +5% critical damage with energy weapons. Hee hee. I see what they did now.

*(the electrical constant k as in \vec F = k \frac{q_1 q_2}{r^2}\hat{a_r} where k = \frac{1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} and \varepsilon_0 is the permittivity of free space.)

 

[OmCheeto]

My feral cats would not eat ANY of my post Thanksgiving treats.
IMHO, they are either freaks, or the dried cat food makers are putting some type of addictive kitty crack into cat food nowadays.

Anyways, I am currently attempting to make DIY dried cat food.

 

[zoobyshoe]

You should be more scientific: how many Courics ? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/12/couric-coined-the-unit-of_n_68211.html

It looks like the Couric is a unit of mass. That's not what we want since your claim was "as big as a house," by which I took you to mean "having the approximate volume of a house." Cubic meters is prolly all we need.

 

[WWGD]

It looks like the Couric is a unit of mass. That's not what we want since your claim was "as big as a house," by which I took you to mean "having the approximate volume of a house." Cubic meters is prolly all we need.

So I guess it depends on density. EDIT and maybe also surface area.

 

[collinsmark]

A few years back this girl told me her mother had told her that oil was old dinosaurs. I'd never heard that before, and thought it was pretty hilarious. However, it then struck me that some small percentage of oil might well be old dinosaurs, and I am now wondering what percentage that might be. "Old dinosaurs" in the sense of life that was not plant life.

That's an old adage, not to necessarily be taken seriously. Most coal, oil and natural gas was originally from plant life from the Carboniferous Period, before the dinosaurs. But still, it makes a pretty good metaphor.

There's a somewhat famous song lyric containing the adage originally written and performed by the band Soundgarden, and later covered by Johnny Cash.

Rusty Cage
(by Chris Cornell of Soundgarden)

You wired me awake
And hit me with a hand of broken nails
You tied my lead and pulled my chain
To watch my blood begin t boil

But I'm going to break
I'm going to break my
I'm going to break my rusty cage and run

Too cold to start a fire
I'm burning diesel burning dinosaur bones
I'll take the river down to Stillwater
And ride a pack of dogs

I'm going to break
I'm going to break my
I'm going to break my rusty cage and run

Hits like a Phillips head
Into my brain
It's going to be too dark
To sleep again
Cutting my teeth on bars
And rusty chains, I'm going to break my
Rusty cage and run

When the forest burns
Along the road
Like God's eyes
In my headlights
When the dogs are looking
For their bones
And it's raining icepicks
On your steel shore

I'm going to break
I'm going to break my
I'm going to break my rusty cage and run
​

Edit: Here's Johnny Cash's cover version:

 

[zoobyshoe]

Most coal, oil and natural gas was originally from plant life from the Carboniferous Period, before the dinosaurs.

Oh, it's all pre-dinosaur. I did not know that.

 

[DennisN]

Speaking of dinosaurs, it's been a long time since I saw the philosoraptor on this forum...

 

[DennisN]

Hehe, when I googled for philosoraptor I also found this comic:

 

[Silicon Waffle]

Speaking of dinosaurs, it's been a long time since I saw the philosoraptor on this forum...

This has occurred since I joined PF. Dinosaurs are male!

 

[zoobyshoe]

That's an old adage, not to necessarily be taken seriously.

Speaking of semantic fascism, I feel it incumbent upon me to point something out. Given the way you use the word adage, I feel you may not have a solid grasp of the term. An adage is actually presented to be taken seriously since it is supposed to embody a truth or guideline or insight: "a stitch in time saves nine" or, "an apple does not fall far from the tree". "Oil is dinosaurs," lacks any proverbial quality; there is no lesson or rule of thumb implied. Therefore it is more on the lines of mere misinformation than anything else.

 

[Silicon Waffle]

Something is occurring to Mr.Om . He is silently watching or following something. I just guess!

 

[OmCheeto]

Something is occurring to Mr.Om . He is silently watching or following something. I just guess!

Someone has absconded with my moniker? Who is this "Mr.Om"?

hmmmm...
I don't know about him, but I've been silently watching "somethings" occurring my whole life.

My current watchings list includes:

1. The Dawn space mission
2. Dr. Who (After watching 450+ episodes, over the last several months, I decided that I'd never ever watched a single episode.)
3. Somethings. (As always)​

ps. My Armenian friend's birthday was yesterday. He's very wise. He received his PhD from some University in Moscow. He once told me that his final paper was about "Humour in Language". I thought that was very funny, given that he was working as a molecular biologist.

 

[OmCheeto]

Hehe, when I googled for philosoraptor I also found this comic:

Another fun fact:

Both Dr. Who, and Star Trek, had episodes of highly evolved dinosaurs, who had escaped the devastation.

But, beings that this is PF, I'm sure I was the last to find out about this fact...

 

[collinsmark]

"Oil is dinosaurs," lacks any proverbial quality; there is no lesson or rule of thumb implied. Therefore it is more on the lines of mere misinformation than anything else.

I meant "burning dinosaur bones" being a way of saying "running the vehicle's internal combustion engine." The proverbial nature involves fossil fuels being of limited resource.

[Edit: and yes, there is a bit of misinformation involved with it. But I still think it loosely qualifies as an adage, in a similar way as "Man bites dog" is an adage.]

[Another edit: On a completely different note, it was once reported by a DJ on a certain San Diego radio station that the song "Rusty Cage" was actually written for Johnny Cash's pet hamster, "Paco." Of course, that shouldn't be taken with any seriousness whatsoever. (If I'm not mistaken, the song is actually about getting an old, beat up, rusty, gas-guzzling hulk of a car, or more likely a pickup truck, working again, written from the perspective of the vehicle itself -- getting it "running" again, so to speak. That's the way I interpret the song anyway.)]

 

[zoobyshoe]

I meant "burning dinosaur bones" being a way of saying "running the vehicle's internal combustion engine."

[Edit: and yes, there is a bit of misinformation involved with it. But I still think it loosely qualifies as an adage, in a similar way as "Man bites dog" is an adage.]

Here's the first definition of "adage" that comes up when I google "adage definition:"

ad·age/ˈadij/
noun

1. a proverb or short statement expressing a general truth.

"Man bites dog" is an interesting comic reversal of the situation we'd expect, but it is not an adage. Likewise, to say "burning dinosaur bones" to mean "operate an internal combustion engine on fossil fuel" is a colorful poetic device, but it is not an adage. You're missing the "proverbial" aspect of the meaning, the element whereby an alleged insight or truth is encapsulated. Consider, "a stitch in time saves nine." It is not literally true that a torn piece of cloth will require nine stitches if you don't put one stitch in when the tear starts. The truth expressed is more general: a problem left untreated will get worse and require more effort later than it does when it first starts. "Burning dinosaur bones" has no lesson, insight, or advice to it. It is merely a metaphor, without also being an adage.

 

[collinsmark]

"Man bites dog" is an interesting comic reversal of the situation we'd expect, but it is not an adage.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adage

Scroll down to the first example.

 

[Ibix]

Hehe, when I googled for philosoraptor I also found this comic:

I am unable to find it, even with the might of Google, but I recall a cartoon of two dinosaurs, one in a lab coat and one in a military uniform standing in front of a bomb and announcing "This is it gentlemen. Our ultimate weapon - the iridium bomb."

 

[collinsmark]

"Burning dinosaur bones" has no lesson, insight, or advice to it. It is merely a metaphor, without also being an adage.

The lesson, or proverbial insight, is the non-renewable nature of fossil fuel. It involves the comparison to dinosaurs insofar that dinosaurs are extinct. Although fossil fuels didn't actually come from dinosaurs themselves, the phrase "burning dinosaur bones" implies that once we run out of fossil fuels, that's it. The original source of the fuel is gone. Petroleum is a non-renewable resource.

 

[zoobyshoe]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adage

Scroll down to the first example.

OK, I didn't realize "man bites dog" was commonly used to mean, "the media only reports the unusual". Used in that way, it is an adage.

The lesson, or proverbial insight, is that dinosaurs are extinct. And similarly, although fossil fuels didn't actually come from dinosaurs themselves, the phrase "burning dinosaur bones" implies that once we run out of fossil fuels, that's it. The original source of the fuel is gone. Petroleum is a non-renewable resource.

If it is in fact used that way, then it would be an adage, yes. I've never heard it used that way, and in fact, the only time I ever heard anything like it was that girls report that her mother told her oil was old dinosaurs, which she meant literally. I'll grant that Johnny cash might, possibly, be using it in the way you suggest, but it doesn't seem like it.

 

[collinsmark]

If it is in fact used that way, then it would be an adage, yes. I've never heard it used that way, and in fact, the only time I ever heard anything like it was that girls report that her mother told her oil was old dinosaurs, which she meant literally. I'll grant that Johnny cash might, possibly, be using it in the way you suggest, but it doesn't seem like it.

I agree in that I don't think Chris Cornell necessarily used it in that way when he wrote the song. Maybe he just thought it was a colorful expression suitable for a song lyric. Then again, maybe he did mean it to be used in that way. If my interpretation of the song is correct, being about getting an old, beat-up, rusty, gas-guzzling hulk of a pickup truck running again, then that extra meaning of "burning dinosaur bones" actually fits in pretty well.

 

[Ibix]

Relevant[1]: http://hugelolcdn.com/i700/203301.jpg .

I was not previously aware of philosoraptor. Possibly my favourite is the one where he points out that the long claw is on his back foot...

[1] I might be stretching the definition of "relevant" here.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I agree in that I don't think Chris Cornell necessarily used it in that way when he wrote the song. Maybe he just thought it was a colorful expression suitable for a song lyric. Then again, maybe he did mean it to be used in that way. If my interpretation of the song being about getting an old, beat-up, rusty gas-guzzling hulk of a pickup truck running again, then that extra meaning of "burning dinosaur bones" actually fits in pretty well.

That song is about someone breaking free from someone whose kept them emotionally imprisoned for a long time. The "rusty cage" is obviously some sort of long term abusive relationship that has left the narrator quite scarred. Re-read it in that light and see if it doesn't make much more sense than simply getting an old car running again.

 

[collinsmark]

That song is about someone breaking free from someone whose kept them emotionally imprisoned for a long time. The "rusty cage" is obviously some sort of long term abusive relationship that has left the narrator quite scarred. Re-read it in that light and see if it doesn't make much more sense than simply getting an old car running again.

It's likely a case of intentional double entendre, or double meaning. The literal interpretation being about the pickup truck, and the alternate meaning being about the relationship.

But for the literal meaning, read the parts about being "wired awake" (ignition systems are electrical), "ride a pack of dogs" (dogs like trucks! ), "burning diesel" (obvious), "Philips head" (typically the Idle screw on a carburetor is adjusted via a Philips head screwdriver, and the tip of an Idle screw comes to a sharp point which goes deep into the carburator), "hand of broken nails" (okay, this one is a bit more difficult, but some pickup trucks are outfitted with wooden banisters on the sides of the bed. And that also is consistent with the pickup truck in the original video: ), "tied my lead and pulled my chain" (towing the truck to the shop, which may involved pulling the truck by another truck linked together via a chain), "headlights" (obvious), and "cutting my teeth on bars" (referring to the transmission, which involves gears with teeth), etc.

 

[WWGD]

Trying to avoid the sugar rush. Too easy to find sweets , just-about anywhere.

 

[zoobyshoe]

No, I don't buy it. By your interpretation, the truck is the narrator, but why would the truck be saying it's going to break free of the guy fixing it? :

"You wired me awake
And hit me with a hand of broken nails
You tied my lead and pulled my chain
To watch my blood begin t boil

But I'm going to break
I'm going to break my
I'm going to break my rusty cage and run"

 

[collinsmark]

No, I don't buy it. By your interpretation, the truck is the narrator, but why would the truck be saying it's going to break free of the guy fixing it? :

Not break free of the guy fixing it! Of course, not that!

The truck (which yes, is the narrator) wishes to break free of rust and disrepair which has for years caused it to be non-functional and stagnant. It wants to break free of its melancholy and run. It wants to take rides down to Stillwater and enjoy the company of dogs with their heads gleefully sticking out the window. It wants to relive the fire of freedom of the road like it once did many years ago before it became decrepit. 'Like it did before its engine rusted shut.

 

[collinsmark]

"You wired me awake
And hit me with a hand of broken nails
You tied my lead and pulled my chain
To watch my blood begin t boil

But I'm going to break
I'm going to break my
I'm going to break my rusty cage and run"

Involving the specifics, I read the literal interpretation of this as:

You successfully engaged the ignition and my engine finally started after all these years
And you repaired my systems with your own hands and rudimentary tools
You towed me to this location by hooking me up to another truck with a chain and pulled me here
To observe, with satisfaction, my oil, transmission fluid and radiator fluid cycling through their systems

I'm finally going to break out
I'm finally going to break out
I'm finally going to break out of my state of disrepair. My engine is running.

[Edit: and continuing on for the rest of the song:]

The weather is cold
But my engine is running; got a tank of gas
Let's take a trip down to Stillwater
And bring a dog or two

You used your screwdriver to adjust my Idle screw
In my carburetor
But I'm still old; this newfound freedom won't last forever
I'm too anxious to become stagnant again
So let's shift (transmission) gears
I'm finally going to break out
of my disrepair. My engine is running

And when we experience the beautiful, firey freedom
Along the road
Like God's eyes
In my headlights
And when the dogs are preoccupied, looking
For their bones
And even when the weather is really bad
You can be warm and comfortable in me, your steel shore

I'm going to break out
I'm going to break out
I'm going to break out of my state of disrepair. My engine is running.
​

 

[zoobyshoe]

Not break free of the guy fixing it! Of course, not that!

The truck (which yes, is the narrator) wishes to break free of rust and disrepair which has for years caused it to be non-functional and stagnant. It wants to break free of its melancholy and run. It wants to take rides down to Stillwater and enjoy the company of dogs with their heads gleefully sticking out the window. It wants to relive the fire of freedom of the road like it once did many years ago before it became decrepit. 'Like it did before its engine rusted shut.

Interesting interpretation, but you're ignoring the overwhelming fact the narrator casts the other in cruel, harsh terms and is vowing to run away from him/her.

 

[collinsmark]

Interesting interpretation, but you're ignoring the overwhelming fact the narrator casts the other in cruel, harsh terms and is vowing to run away from him/her.

I made an edit in my previous post such that it now includes my full interpretation of the song, line by line.

I think the author (Chris Cornell) intentionally utilizes double entendre* (or maybe even triple entendre), so there may be more than one interpretation.

I highly suspect though that the author is intentionally being a bit tricky here, making the first impression feel very negative, when in actuality, the song is of an extremely positive and uplifting nature.

*(Although not the "dirty" variety of the term, just the double meaning part.)

 

[Silicon Waffle]

[...]I'm sure I was the last to find out about this fact...

I always highly appreciate and enjoy every single moment that I can find myself alive on earth. Thanks Gosh I found you!