Ranking US Universities according to their physics research

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of finding reliable ranking tables for US universities based on the quality and volume of their physics research. Participants explore the difficulties in assessing institutions due to the vast number of universities and the variability in their strengths across different subfields of physics.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in identifying reputable US universities for physics research, noting a lack of official ranking tables similar to those available for UK institutions.
  • Another participant asserts that no public ranking exists from US government agencies or relevant physics organizations, suggesting that if such a resource were available, it would be widely referenced.
  • A different viewpoint highlights the complexity of ranking universities, arguing that it is challenging to compare institutions that excel in different subtopics of physics.
  • One participant mentions that any university with a regionally accredited physics Ph.D. program is likely to provide a decent education, as standards are generally high across accredited institutions.
  • Another participant advises focusing on specific subfields of interest and suggests resources like physicsgre.com and gradschoolshopper.com to identify schools that align with those interests.
  • This participant emphasizes that selecting schools based solely on rankings is not advisable and could lead to poor outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the absence of a reliable ranking system for US universities in physics. However, there is disagreement on the feasibility and value of ranking institutions, with some arguing it is impossible due to differing strengths in various subfields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in available resources for ranking universities, as well as the subjective nature of evaluating institutions based on specific research interests and subfields.

SUDOnym
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Hello

I have asked similar questions in the past but am having a lot of trouble with this!:

I am welcoming all advice on finding good official ranking tables of US Universities according to the quality and volume (and perhaps other metrics as well!) of their scientific research. For example a good resource for ranking UK Universities according to these criteria can be found at rae.ac.uk.

I suppose the main reason I am having trouble with this is that I know very little about the USA! So it is difficult to know which are good or bad institutions of higher education - and the fact that there are literally thousands of institutions makes the task all the more arduous!

Thanks
 
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SUDOnym said:
official ranking tables of US Universities according to the quality and volume (and perhaps other metrics as well!) of their scientific research.

There is no such thing publically available, as far as I know, as least not from any U.S. government agency or the American Physical Society or the American Institute of Physics. If there were, I'm sure there would be frequent references to it here on PF!
 
There's no such thing, I'm afraid. Ranking schools is impossible - how do you deal with two schools: one is the best in subtopic X and has no program in subtopic Y and another school which is the reverse? Now it's impossible in Britain as well, but that doesn't seem to stop them from trying. Vice chancellors know this, but they also know they are stuck with this.
 
SUDOnym said:
I suppose the main reason I am having trouble with this is that I know very little about the USA! So it is difficult to know which are good or bad institutions of higher education - and the fact that there are literally thousands of institutions makes the task all the more arduous!

One very strong point about the US university system is that I can't think of any university with an regionally accredited physics Ph.D. program that is a *bad* institution. As long as it's listed in the AIP directory of physics departments, you know that it isn't an outright scam, and the standards for US graduate physics institutions are high enough so that you are assured of a decent education, where ever you end up.
 
First of all, figure out what subfield you are interested in. Just like Vanadium said, every university is different as they all have different emphases in different subfields.

Once you know this, I suggest you check out physicsgre.com, and check out the threads where people list what schools they applied to and which ones they got in (http://www.physicsgre.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4274) There are multiple years, the thread I linked is 2012.

Pay specific attention to what topics people are applying for, and what schools they applied to. You will get an idea for what the common schools people applied to in your subfield are, and which ones accept nobody and which ones accept more people.

Another thing I suggest is: http://www.gradschoolshopper.com/

You can search for specific subfields and it will bring up a list of schools which do work in those fields.

After that, you need to go to those school's websites and do some heavy research regarding the schools.

Picking schools by ranking is the stupidest/laziest way to pick schools, and will only result in failure.
 

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