Rate of change in an Isosceles triangle

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The discussion revolves around an isosceles triangle with two equal sides of length 10 cm, focusing on expressing the area as a function of the angle between the sides and determining the rate of change of the area as the angle increases. Participants are exploring the relationship between the angle and the area, as well as the implications of changing the angle over time.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the area formula for the triangle using trigonometric identities and questioning the correctness of their manipulations. There is discussion about the application of the double angle formula and its implications for the area calculation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the area formula and the differentiation process, while others are questioning the steps taken in the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the maximum area condition, with various interpretations of the results being discussed.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a mention of the angle increasing at a specific rate, which adds a dynamic aspect to the problem.

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An Isosceles triangle has two equal sides of length 10cm. Let x be the angle between the two equal sides.

a. Express the area A of the triangle as a function of x in radians.

b. Suppose that x is increasing at the rate of 10 degrees per minute. How fast is A changing at the instant x = pi/3? At what value of x will the triangle have a maximum area?

I've set the triangle and drew a line to cut it in half. the angle is now x/2, and the base is b/2. The hypoteneuse of each triangle is 10.

cos x/2 = adj/hyp = h/10
sin x/2 = opp/hyp = b/2/10 = b/20

A = 100sinx/2 cosx/2
= 100 sinx/2

would that be the equation for part a?

any help for part b would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
 
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Econguy said:
An Isosceles triangle has two equal sides of length 10cm. Let x be the angle between the two equal sides.

a. Express the area A of the triangle as a function of x in radians.

b. Suppose that x is increasing at the rate of 10 degrees per minute. How fast is A changing at the instant x = pi/3? At what value of x will the triangle have a maximum area?

I've set the triangle and drew a line to cut it in half. the angle is now x/2, and the base is b/2. The hypoteneuse of each triangle is 10.

cos x/2 = adj/hyp = h/10
sin x/2 = opp/hyp = b/2/10 = b/20

A = 100sinx/2 cosx/2
= 100 sinx/2
How did you go from "100 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)" to just "100 sin(x/2)"? What happened to the "cos(x/2)"? Perhaps you were trying to use the fact that sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a).


would that be the equation for part a?

any help for part b would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
Once you have the correct formula for A as a function of x, then dA/dt= (dA/dx)(dx/dt) and you are told that dx/dt= 10 degrees per minute.
 
HallsofIvy said:
How did you go from "100 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)" to just "100 sin(x/2)"? What happened to the "cos(x/2)"? Perhaps you were trying to use the fact that sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a).

Yes, I used the double angle formula (sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a)). Was that incorrect? I thought I could use that identity...?
 
Econguy said:
HallsofIvy said:
How did you go from "100 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)" to just "100 sin(x/2)"? What happened to the "cos(x/2)"? Perhaps you were trying to use the fact that sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a).

Yes, I used the double angle formula (sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a)). Was that incorrect? I thought I could use that identity...?
You can use that identity, but you have to use it correctly.

100 sin(x/2) cos(x/2) = 50 * [2 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)] = 50 sin(2*x/2) = 50 sin(x)
 
Hey guys, so I'd like to resurrect this thread since I'm also working on it.

So for part A) area=50sinx by double angle formula

B) My answer is:

dx/dt=10=0.1745rad/min

da/dt=50cosx(dx/dt)

=50cos(pi/3)(0.1745rad)

=4.36cm^2/min

For max area, using optimization techniques:

A'=50cosx >0 for 0<x<pi/2 and 3pi/2<x<2pi (since dimensions can't be negative)
A' <0 for pi/2<x<3pi/2
A'= 0 for x= pi/2 and 3pi/2
Using closed interval method:
A(pi/2)=50
A(3pi/2)=-50, therefore A will be max when x=pi/2

I have a feeling I did the first part of B) wrong, what do the pros think?
 
Bump, any takers? Bribes? Love perhaps?
 

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