Rate of Gaseous Diffusion into a Vacuum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the rate of gaseous diffusion, specifically the flow of gas from a pressurized vessel into a vacuum through a connecting tube. Participants explore the factors influencing this process, including pressure differentials and physical dimensions of the tubing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Randy questions how to approximate the rate of gas diffusion into a vacuum, noting that it depends on several factors including differential pressure, length and diameter of tubing, and the identity of the gas or gas mixture.
  • One participant suggests that the process is better described as pressure-driven flow rather than diffusion, and recommends looking into "pressure drop in gas flow" for more information.
  • Randy acknowledges the terminology correction and expresses interest in understanding the flow rates to estimate the time to reach equilibrium.
  • Another participant mentions that the flow may initially be very fast, potentially leading to issues if the system is not designed to handle such rates, but notes uncertainty due to lack of specific dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the terminology used (diffusion vs. pressure-driven flow) and the implications of flow rates, indicating a mix of perspectives on the nature of the gas movement and its practical considerations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the system, such as the dimensions of the tubing and the specific properties of the gas involved, which are not fully defined in the discussion.

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Hello Everyone,

I have a question regarding the diffusion of a gas (or mixture of gases) into an evacuated space. The situation I am picturing is one where you have two vessels of equal volume, one contains a gas at room temperature, some known pressure (say ~760torr), and the other at static high vacuum (say ~1e-5 torr). Joining the vessels is a length of tubing with a valve at the center.

Upon opening the valve, obviously the gas will diffuse from the pressurized side to the evacuated side until an equilibrium is reached. My real question is how can I make a good approximation of how quickly that will occur? I realize it will be dependent on:

differential pressure
length of tubing
diameter of tubing
identity of the gas/gas mixture

...and probably some other factors I am not considering at the moment. Can anyone provide some insight for a rough determination?

Thanks much,

Randy
 
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Hello Randy, :welcome:

I wouldn't call that diffusion but pressure-driven flow. Never mind.

Depending on whether you want to learn something or just need a quick answer.
For the first you need to learn about "pressure drop in gas flow" (which google)
For the second you could use a calculator on the net
 
Pressure driven flow it is. Thanks for the link to that calculator - requires a license but they do provide equations that may help. I am putting something together where I'd like to get a feel for the flow rates. Would like to know ahead of time if I am talking 2 minutes to equilibrate - or 2 hours.

Randy
 
Oops. Maybe this one ? They have limitations on pipe/orifice diameters, but it's a start.
I'd expect that your concern should be that it goes too fast initially and things break, not that you have to wait for hours. But I don't know any dimensions, so I don't know if you can have the valve wide open...
 

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