Ratio simplification using ratio series.

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a fraction involving limits and ratios, specifically focusing on the expression \(\frac{n^4 + 16}{(n+1)^4 + 16}\) as \(n\) approaches infinity. The subject area includes calculus and series convergence.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of L'Hospital's rule to evaluate limits, with some questioning the validity of manipulating the expression \((n+1)^4\) into \(n^4 + 1^4\). Others suggest using the Binomial Theorem or dividing by the highest power in the numerator and denominator.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of limits and the correct application of mathematical rules, though there is no explicit consensus on the methods being debated.

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Participants note the importance of correctly simplifying expressions and evaluating limits, while also addressing potential misconceptions about series and convergence intervals. There is mention of an interval of convergence and a radius of convergence, but details on the specific series being analyzed are lacking.

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here is the problem: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5175/15399391yy7.png

how do i simplify the fraction?

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i got the correct answer but I'm not sure how to simplify the fraction correctly, especially with the n+1 with a exponent 4.

please help.
 
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Have you learned L'Hospital's rule yet? If you have then all you need to do is to evaluate \lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{n^4+16}{(n+1)^4 +16} separately, then put that result back into the expression then you'll get the answer.
 
Okay, you after applying l'hospital's rule, i get 1. also, i believe i could change this (n+1)^4 to this n^4 + 1^4 i believe?

thanks.
 
I don't think that's allowed. What rule are you following there?
 
rcmango said:
Okay, you after applying l'hospital's rule, i get 1. also, i believe i could change this (n+1)^4 to this n^4 + 1^4 i believe?

thanks.

No, it's not correct at all.

Here's a simple counter example. If n = -1, then your LHS will be 0, whereas your RHS is 2, they are not equal.

To expand the terms that have the form: (a + b)n (where n is a natural number), one should use Binomial Theorem.

Or, you can just divide both numerator, and denominator by n4 (the greatest power), like this:

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| (2x - 1) \frac{n ^ 4 + 16}{(n + 1) ^ 4 + 16} \right|

= |2x - 1| \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| \frac{\frac{n ^ 4 + 16}{n ^ 4}}{\frac{(n + 1) ^ 4 + 16}{n ^ 4}} \right| (since 2x - 1 is a constant, independent of n, we can "pull" it out)

= |2x - 1| \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| \frac{1 + \frac{16}{n ^ 4}}{\frac{(n + 1) ^ 4}{n ^ 4} + \frac{16}{n ^ 4}} \right|

= |2x - 1| \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| \frac{1 + \frac{16}{n ^ 4}}{\left( \frac{n + 1}{n} \right) ^ 4 + \frac{16}{n ^ 4}} \right|

= |2x - 1| \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| \frac{1 + \frac{16}{n ^ 4}}{\left( \frac{n + 1}{n} \right) ^ 4 + \frac{16}{n ^ 4}} \right| = ...

Can you go from here? :)
 
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Viet Dao, thankyou for that thorough explanation! That was exactly my question, and it helped me a great deal!
 
just skipping to the end, i get the interval of convergence to be [0, 1] where i plug these into the original equation and they both converge, correct? just need a confirmation.

also the radius of convergence came to 1/2

thanks.
 
rcmango said:
just skipping to the end, i get the interval of convergence to be [0, 1] where i plug these into the original equation and they both converge, correct? just need a confirmation.

also the radius of convergence came to 1/2

thanks.

What is the series you are working on? You haven't shown us any series at all. :bugeye:
 

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