RC circuit, expression for voltage

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The problem involves an RC circuit with a fully charged capacitor and two resistors in series. The original poster attempts to derive an expression for the voltage across the capacitor over time, starting from Kirchhoff's voltage law and Ohm's law.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster presents an attempt to apply Kirchhoff's voltage law and expresses confusion regarding the sign conventions in their derivation. They question whether their setup of Kirchhoff's law is correct and seek clarification on the expected behavior of voltage over time.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the original poster's reasoning, with some suggesting a focus on the signs associated with the voltage and current. There is an exploration of the implications of the passive elements in the circuit and the direction of current flow, indicating a productive discussion around the assumptions made in the original setup.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific sign conventions from a textbook, which may influence the understanding of the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correct application of these conventions in their analysis.

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Homework Statement


Assume you have a fully charged capacitor with initial condition V(0) = V_0 connected in series to two resistors R_1 and R_2. Derive an expression for the voltage over the capacitor with respect to time.

Homework Equations


1. Kirchhoff's voltage law \sum_n V_n = 0
2. Ohm's law: V=RI
3. Capacitance of capacitor: C = \frac{Q}{V}
4. Current I = \frac{dQ}{dt}

The Attempt at a Solution


If I "go" in the direction of the current, then the potential difference over both resistors are negative whereas it is positive over the capacitor, hence
V(t) - V_{R_{1}} - V_{R_{2}} = 0 = V(t) - R_1 I - R_2 I.
Which I can rewrite using the time derivative of Q (3 and 4 from above)
= V(t) - (R_1 + R_2)\frac{dQ}{dt} = V(t) - (R_1 + R_2)C\frac{dV(t)}{dt} = 0 \implies \frac{1}{(R_1 + R_2)C}V(t) - \frac{dV(t)}{dt} = 0.
By solving this differential equation, I get
V(t) = V_0e^\frac{t}{(R_1+R_2)C}
which is wrong, because the voltage should decrease over time, so a more logical solution would be
V(t) = V_0e^{-\frac{t}{(R_1+R_2)C}}.
Is there something I have overlooked? Is Kirchhoff's law setup incorrectly (sign conventions)?

Any help is appreciated.
 
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VC(t) + VR1(t) + VR2(t) = 0 is the equation
 
Yes, I realize that has to be true for it to be correct, but I am just confused about the signs. My book (Sears and Zemansky's) mentions some sign conventions in relation to Kirchhoff's voltage law (see picture).
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So why is it + rather than - ?
 
You have 3 passive elements in the circuit and no driving emf. Don't know what confuses you.
 
nossren, have you considered what sign should be associated with dV/dt on the capacitor? Will V be increasing or decreasing given the direction of the current flow?
 

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