Reaching Absolute Zero: Methods to Achieve Superconductors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on methods to achieve temperatures near absolute zero (0 Kelvin) for the purpose of creating superconductors. Participants explore various cooling techniques and the implications of reaching such low temperatures, touching on both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that achieving absolute zero is not necessary, as superconductors can operate at temperatures close to 10 Kelvin.
  • Liquid helium is commonly used to cool materials to around 4.2 Kelvin, which is below the critical temperature for certain superconductors like Lead Telluride.
  • High temperature superconductors can operate at liquid nitrogen temperatures, which are still significantly above absolute zero.
  • Methods to reach near absolute zero include using liquid gases and refrigeration techniques, where a fluid is compressed and expanded to extract heat.
  • Laser cooling methods can achieve very low temperatures, but are typically limited to gases or plasmas in magnetic traps.
  • Some participants mention adiabatic demagnetization refrigeration (ADR) as a method to cool materials from around 4K to much lower temperatures, potentially down to 1 mK.
  • Optical cooling techniques can reach temperatures close to one billionth of a degree above absolute zero.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of negative Kelvin temperatures, with some participants noting that they are counterintuitive and represent a state that is "hotter" than positive temperatures.
  • One participant references a post that discusses the complexities of defining temperature at very low levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and theories regarding cooling techniques, but there is no consensus on a single method or the implications of reaching such low temperatures. Multiple competing views remain on the effectiveness and applications of different cooling strategies.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed depend on specific conditions, such as the state of the material being cooled (gas/plasma vs. solid) and the operational limits of the cooling techniques mentioned. The discussion also highlights the challenges in defining temperature at extremely low levels.

Kalrag
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I hear how people create superconductors by taking a metal and freezing it to Absolute Zero(0 Kelvin). What are some methods to get this sort of tempuature? Can anyone help?
 
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Not all the way to T=0, just relatively close (near or less than 10Kelvin until the new higher temp superconductors were discovered.)

One of the commonly used commercial superconductors is a Lead Telluride alloy and to cool it sufficiently one uses liquid helium which has a boiling point (4.2K) below the critical temperature.

I suggest you start by reading the wikipedia article on the history of superconductivity.
 
There are high temperature superconductors that operate at liquid nitrogen temperatures. It's still pretty cold, but nowhere even close to absolute zero.
 
I know but how do they get "near" absolute Zero? Like what are the methods.
 
Kalrag said:
I know but how do they get "near" absolute Zero? Like what are the methods.

Down to around 4k you can just use liquid gases (Helium boils at 4Kelvin)

Below that you just use a refrigerator.
It's basically the same principle as your kitchen fridge:
1, you compress a fluid it gets hot - you extract the heat
2, you expand the fluid it takes in heat and cools the target
The only difference is that the 'hot' side is already cooled to 4 Kelvin

I think the record lowest temperature is probably a magnetic fridge.
Still the same concept, magnetizing a piece of material causes it to heat up - taking heat in from the surroundings , you take it out of the magnetic field and it cools down giving off that heat which you then extract.
 
Lowest temperatures are achieved various laser-cooling methods, but these only work on gas/plasma caught in magnetic traps.

Usually, for sub-4K temperatures they lower pressure to force Helium to boil at a lower temperature. This will let you get down to a little less than 1K.
 
NobodySpecial said:
I think the record lowest temperature is probably a magnetic fridge.
Still the same concept, magnetizing a piece of material causes it to heat up - taking heat in from the surroundings , you take it out of the magnetic field and it cools down giving off that heat which you then extract.
Huh? Are you referring to negative kelvin? If so, I guess that while negative kelvin would mathematically be lowest record temperature, in that a negative numbers are less than positive numbers, negative kelvin temperatures are actually "hotter" than positive temperatures.
 
In think you replied to the wrong post, and I'm guessing k^2 meant sub_hyphen_4k not -4k
 
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No, he is referring to adiabatic demagnetization refrigeration (ADR). It is basically a method for cooling things by playing with magnetic fields. It can either be used on its own to e.g. cool something from about 4K (liquid helium) to around 40 mK(=0.04K) or so . Or, you can bolt a ADR to the bottom of a dilution refrigerator, the latter can cool even a large mass down to about 20mK or so and keep it there indefinitly (as long as the pumps are running), then you start your ADR which cools everything down to about a 1mK or so.
This is how you cool macroscopic objects down to very low temperatures.
 

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