Reading list for learning Quantum Mechanics please

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for a reading list and a structured approach to learning Quantum Mechanics, particularly from the perspective of someone with a background in Political Science and an interest in the philosophical implications of physics. The scope includes both theoretical understanding and philosophical inquiry into concepts like wave-particle duality, singularities, and event horizons.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with "The Theoretical Minimum" as an introductory text, followed by other resources.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of understanding the mathematical language of Quantum Mechanics, proposing that a conceptual grasp can be achieved through specific layperson texts.
  • Some participants highlight the philosophical aspects of Quantum Mechanics, recommending authors like Jim Baggott for those interested in ontology and the philosophy of physics.
  • Questions about the nature of electrons acting as both particles and waves are raised, with one participant noting that this phenomenon is not definitively answered by physics.
  • A participant expresses willingness to engage with difficult math and physics despite the challenges, while another questions the necessity of such knowledge given the philosophical nature of the inquiries.
  • Concerns are raised about the varying levels of mathematical understanding among participants, with a call for clarity on specific knowledge areas before proceeding with recommendations.
  • One participant asserts that no one truly understands Quantum Mechanics, suggesting that its complexity is a barrier to comprehension.
  • Another participant counters that while Quantum Mechanics is complex, classical mechanics also has its own mathematical intricacies that can be intuitively grasped.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the best approach to learning Quantum Mechanics, the importance of mathematical understanding, and the philosophical implications of the subject. There is no consensus on a singular reading list or methodology, reflecting diverse perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of Quantum Mechanics and the varying levels of mathematical knowledge, which may influence the effectiveness of different learning approaches. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between philosophical inquiries and the mathematical foundations of physics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the intersection of philosophy and physics, particularly those seeking structured resources for learning Quantum Mechanics from a conceptual and philosophical standpoint.

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Most probably, there was already a thread about this before, but I didn't find any with the search engine. Please, believe me, I tried a lot of words and found nothing like I'm going to ask now.

I'm not a physicist...in fact, I'm a Political Sciences student with a great passion for Philosophy. I did never like physics, I thought it was boring and dull. But with maturity I noticed that for a better philosophy, one must know how nature works. I'm a real fan of ontology and, having contact these days with some Quantum Mechanics, I saw in it a great source of philosophical debate, specially ontological, and, of course, a great source of wisdom. In the mechanics of nature we can find wonderful existential questions.

I stumbled into this forum while researching about Time physics. And then read a reply of one member, that is currently inactive, about how the teaching and proper comprehension of Quantum Physics needs to be gradual. One must first learn "Classical" Physics, then move to other authors, then to others...all the "way up" until the modern Physicists.

Well, to the request:

I really would like a reading list and gradative-teaching book/articles guide so I can REALLY understand Quantum Physics.

Thank you for your time.
Best wishes!
 
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Barring some unforeseen breakthrough, QM can really only be "understood" via the mathematical language used to describe it. And that means doing lots of problems. :)

BUT one can have a decent layperson's grasp with a *conceptual* understanding of this mathematical language, IMO. I can also recommend McIntyre, an advanced undergraduate textbook on QM that emphasizes conceptual understanding.

I can also recommend a lay book, Mad About Modern Physics
 
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Thalles, if I understood you correctly, you are actually interested not so much in physics in general, but in philosophy of physics, especially ontology. If so, then Jim Baggott may be the right author for you. He has written a book about general ontology in philosophy
J. Baggott, A Beginner's Guide to Reality
but also a philosophic introduction to quantum physics
J. Baggott, The Meaning of Quantum Theory
 
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Yes. I'm really deep interested in Philosophical aproaches to Physics, but I also would like to know better things like: how the feck can a eletron act like a particle and a wave at the same time. What is singularity. What is Event Horizon. Etc.
And I want a deep understanding of it...not youtube videos lol

Thank you all for the wonderful replies!
 
Thalles said:
how the feck can a eletron act like a particle and a wave at the same time.

Physics doesn't answer this! In fact, nobody knows the definite answer to this.

I see your questions are already philosophically minded. So would you really be interested in learning difficult math and physics which probably won't answer your questions?
 
Sure. Why not? I've spent time studying anarchism, there's nothing worse than Emma Goldman :biggrin: so, hit me.
 
So what knowledge of math and physics do you have?
 
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High school.
And since I'm doing Political Sciences school, I think I don't remember all the things of then.
But reading and exercising is not a problem for me when I want to learn.

Thank you.
 
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Thalles said:
High school.
And since I'm doing Political Sciences school, I think I don't remember all the things of then.
But reading and exercising is not a problem for me when I want to learn.

Thank you.

High school is a pretty meaningless term. I know people coming from high school who can barely solve quadratic equations, and I know people who know advanced calculus. So can you perhaps list a few topics that you think you know.
 
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Thalles said:
I really would like a reading list and gradative-teaching book/articles guide so I can REALLY understand Quantum Physics.

Well, no one really understands it. That's why it's so loaded with complicated math, if it was something anyone could just understand then there would be no need to abstract everything.

Thalles said:
how the feck can a eletron act like a particle and a wave at the same time. What is singularity. What is Event Horizon. Etc.

Those are three different things. In order:

-Matter at the subatomic scale can be both a particle and a wave because matter at that scale obeys both the physics of point particles (kinetic energy, force, etc) and waves (interference, fields, etc). The situation determines whether you need to consider the behavior under investigation wave-like or particle-like. In the case of electrons, an example of wave behavior is interference patterns in a cathode ray tube, whereas an example of particle behavior is photon emission when an electron drops from a high energy state to a low energy state. It's both because it can act like both.

-A singularity is a point or region where the predictable behavior of a system abruptly changes, usually in a way that could be described as "breaking down" or "blowing up". For instance, if I have the equation 1/(2-x), then the limit as I approach from the left is positive infinity, and the limit as I approach from the right is negative infinity. For every real number besides 2, the function is continuous and returns a single real number as its output, and at 2 its value is undefined. So that's a change in its behavior and one of the simplest kinds of singularities. Mathematically, that's essentially what's happening with the equations of spacetime curvature, but of course in a much more complicated way.

-An event horizon is the distance from the center of a black hole from which everything that happens inside the black hole cannot effect anything that happens outside the black hole.

Anyway, before getting into all of this, you should really think about learning the basic kinematics and electromagnetism first.
 
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Well, no one really understands it. That's why it's so loaded with complicated math, if it was something anyone could just understand then there would be no need to abstract everything.

I agree with you about quantum mechanics, but not really with the reasoning. Classical mechanics is pretty mathematically complicated too. It's fairly simple to grasp on an intuitive level, though.
 

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