Real Analysis Definition and Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of subsequential limits in real analysis, specifically focusing on the precise definitions and implications of such limits within sequences. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties related to subsequences and their convergence behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the precise definition of a subsequential limit and whether it implies the existence of a strictly increasing sequence of indices. There are questions about the necessity of stating boundedness of the sequence and how to formally express the definition of a subsequence that converges to a limit.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about definitions and the implications of subsequential limits. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for precision in definitions and the relationship between subsequences and their limits, but no consensus has been reached on the exact phrasing or requirements.

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There is an emphasis on the use of quantifiers in definitions, and some participants note that the boundedness of the sequence is not explicitly mentioned, which may or may not be relevant to the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


1) Suppose ##t## is a subsequential limit for ##(s_n)##. Write the precise definition of the meaning of this statement.

2) Explain why there exists a strictly increasing sequence ##(n_k)^\infty_{k=1}## of natural numbers such that ##\lim s_{n_k}=t##.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am not exactly sure what to do for 1). Doesn't this just mean that there exist a subsequence that converges to t? I am not exactly sure how precisely I need to state it, or how I would if a lot of precision is necessary.

For 2), doesn't this just follow from the definition of a subsequential limit?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
For 2), doesn't this just follow from the definition of a subsequential limit?

Is it mentioned that the sequence ##\{s_n\}_{n=1}^\infty## is bounded?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Is it mentioned that the sequence ##\{s_n\}_{n=1}^\infty## is bounded?
Is is not mentioned that the sequence is bounded or unbounded.
 
If the sequence is ##\{s_n\}##, then a subsequence is written as ##\{s_{n_k}\}##, where ##n_1, n_2, n_3, \dots, ## is an increasing sequence of indices. Can you write a definition of a subsequence that converges to t using this notation?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Is it mentioned that the sequence ##\{s_n\}_{n=1}^\infty## is bounded?

This isn't relevant for the problem. The statement is true with or without boundedness.

Mr Davis 97 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I am not exactly sure what to do for 1). Doesn't this just mean that there exist a subsequence that converges to t? I am not exactly sure how precisely I need to state it, or how I would if a lot of precision is necessary.

For 2), doesn't this just follow from the definition of a subsequential limit?

(1) Write it as formally as you can!
(2) We can't help you with (1) if you don't tell us what definition of subsequential limit you use.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


1) Suppose ##t## is a subsequential limit for ##(s_n)##. Write the precise definition of the meaning of this statement.

Since you've recently asked questions about the logic of quantifiers, my guess is that this problem is testing your skill in writing definitions involving the use of "there exists".

2) Explain why there exists a strictly increasing sequence ##(n_k)^\infty_{k=1}## of natural numbers such that ##\lim s_{n_k}=t##.

As @Mark44 indicated, if you write a definition that says "there exists a subsequence", that statement is not identical to the claim that "there exists a strictly increasing sequence ##(n_k)## of natural numbers such that...". , although the latter statement might be taken for granted in a typical mathematical article. So imagine someone insists that you "split hairs" and explain why a definition that says "there exists a subsequence..." implies a statement about the existence of a certain strictly increasing sequence of natural numbers. (To do that, you need to use the formal definition of a subsequence.)
 

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