Real Analysis: Proving the Greatest Lower Bound Property

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The discussion revolves around proving properties related to subsets of real numbers, specifically focusing on the greatest lower bound property and the relationship between the least upper bounds of sets and their transformations. The original poster presents a problem involving nonempty subsets A and B of R, exploring the implications of their boundedness.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to prove that the least upper bound of the sum of two sets (A+B) equals the sum of their least upper bounds, questioning how to establish this relationship. Some participants suggest proving that the sum of the least upper bounds serves as an upper bound for A+B.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the existence of the infimum of -A and how it relates to proving the Greatest Lower Bound Property, with one participant considering the use of the Least Upper Bound Property in their reasoning.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the proof regarding the least upper bound of A+B. There is recognition of the need to establish that sup(A) + sup(B) is indeed the least upper bound of A+B, and some participants are exploring the transformation of infimum to supremum in the context of the Greatest Lower Bound Property.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of real analysis, particularly the properties of bounded sets and their transformations. There is an emphasis on the definitions and properties of upper and lower bounds, as well as the implications of these properties in the context of the problem presented.

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Homework Statement


(a) Suppose that A and B are nonempty subsets of R. Define subsets -A={-x: x\inA} and A+B={x+y: x\inA and y\inB}. Show that if A and B are bounded above, then the greatest lower bound of -A = - least upper bound of A and the least upper bound of (A+B) = the least upper bound of A plus the least upper bound of B.

(b) Use part (a) to prove the Greatest Lower Bound Property: Any nonempty shubset of R that is bounded below has a greatest lower bound.

Homework Equations


If 0<a and 0<b, then there is a positive integer n such that b<a+a+...+a (n summands).
If A is any nonempty subset of R that is bounded above, then there is a least upper bound for A.

The Attempt at a Solution


I've proven that first part of (a), that the greatest lower bound of -A = -least upper bound of A, but I can't figure out why the least upper bound of (A+B) would = the least upper bound of A plus the least upper bound of B. [or sup(A+B) = sup(A)+sup(B)]
 
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Hi major_maths! :smile:

So you need to prove that

\sup(A+B)=\sup A+\sup B

Can you first prove that \sup A+\sup B is an upper bound of A+B??

That is, take an arbitrary element z in A+B, can you prove that z\leq \sup A+\sup B??
 
Thanks! I got through part (a) by proving (A+B) must be nonempty and then proving that there was an upper bound in (A+B) since both A and B had upper bounds, using the Least Upper Bound Property to prove that there must be a least upper bound since there was an upper bound to begin with.

I'm stuck again on part (b) though. I know that since inf(-A) exists, -sup(A) must exist as well. I don't know how to go about proving the Greatest Lower Bound Property from there though. I was thinking about using the Least Upper Bound Property somehow.
 
major_maths said:
Thanks! I got through part (a) by proving (A+B) must be nonempty and then proving that there was an upper bound in (A+B) since both A and B had upper bounds, using the Least Upper Bound Property to prove that there must be a least upper bound since there was an upper bound to begin with.

Yes, you proved that A+B has a least upper bound. But did you prove that sup(A)+sup(B) is that exact upper bound??

I'm stuck again on part (b) though. I know that since inf(-A) exists, -sup(A) must exist as well. I don't know how to go about proving the Greatest Lower Bound Property from there though. I was thinking about using the Least Upper Bound Property somehow.

You do need to prove the least upper bound property! Just transform the inf into a sup and use the least upper bound property.
 

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