Really simple, system in equilibrium (weight and tension in light string)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a small smooth ring in equilibrium on a light string, with specific focus on the angles of inclination of the string segments and the calculation of tension. Participants explore the conditions for equilibrium and the relationships between the forces acting on the ring.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the tension in the string must be uniform along its length and discusses the forces acting on the ring, including the weight and tension components.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if the string segments were at different angles, the horizontal components of the forces would not balance, leading to a lack of equilibrium.
  • A further contribution details the horizontal and vertical components of the forces, leading to the conclusion that the angles must be equal, specifically stating that cos(40) = cos(θ) implies θ = 40°.
  • Participants discuss the vertical components of the forces and their relationship to the weight of the ring, indicating that these must also balance in the context of equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity for the angles of the string segments to be equal for equilibrium to be maintained, but the discussion includes varying levels of detail and approaches to proving this relationship.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the uniformity of tension and the nature of the forces acting on the ring are present, but these are not explicitly stated or resolved within the discussion.

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A small smooth ring R of mass 0.1 kg is threaded on a light string. The ends of the string are fastened to two fixed points A and B. The ring hangs in equilibrium with the part AR of the string inclined at 40° to the horizontal, as shown in the diagram. Show that the part RB of the string is also inclined at 40° to the horizontal and find the tension in the string.

I have no difficulties with the second question, namely finding the tension in the string, but although it seems obvious to me that RB should be inclined at 40° to the horizontal, I’m at a loss to prove why in the most coherent way possible. I would be grateful for an outline on how to prove this concisely and effectively. Cheers
 

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The tension in the string (or more precisely the magnitude $T$ of the tensional force) has to be the same all the way along the string. So the forces on the ring are as follows:
a force of magnitude $T$ in the direction RA,
a force of magnitude $T$ in the direction RB,
the weight of the ring, in a vertical direction.
Now resolve those forces horizontally.
 
furorceltica said:
A small smooth ring R of mass 0.1 kg is threaded on a light string. The ends of the string are fastened to two fixed points A and B. The ring hangs in equilibrium with the part AR of the string inclined at 40° to the horizontal, as shown in the diagram. Show that the part RB of the string is also inclined at 40° to the horizontal and find the tension in the string.

I have no difficulties with the second question, namely finding the tension in the string, but although it seems obvious to me that RB should be inclined at 40° to the horizontal, I’m at a loss to prove why in the most coherent way possible. I would be grateful for an outline on how to prove this concisely and effectively. Cheers

If rhe two parts of the string were at different angles their horizontal components would not be equql qnd we would not have equlibrium.
 
Specifically, the horizontal component of the force on the left is Tcos(40) (T is the tension in the cable) to the left. The horizontal component of the force on the right is Tcos(\theta) to the right. Since the object does not move left or right those two components must be the same: Tcos(40)= Tcos(\theta). Dividing both sides by T, cos(40)= cos(\theta) and since \theta is clearly les than 90 degrees, \theta= 40.

Now the vertical component of force on the left is Tsin(40) upwad and the vertical component of force on the right is Tsin(\theta), also upward. Since the object does not move up or down, those two must add to the weight, mg, which is g here.
Because \theta= 40[/itex], sin(\theta)+ Tsin(40)= 2Tsin(40)= -g and you can solve that for T.
 

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