Rearranging Differential Equations: Getting X's and Y's on the Same Side

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The discussion revolves around the rearrangement of a differential equation, specifically aiming to isolate the variables x and y on opposite sides of the equation before integration. The equation in question is (x^2 + 1)y' = xy.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore methods for rearranging the equation, including suggestions to divide both sides and multiply terms. Questions arise about the proper placement of dx and how to handle the integration process.

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Several participants have offered guidance on manipulating the equation, with some suggesting specific algebraic steps. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the integration once the variables are separated, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the rearrangement process and integration techniques, reflecting the challenges inherent in working with differential equations. The original poster mentions struggling with the initial steps, highlighting the complexity of the task.

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Gday,
Just having a problem doing the initial rearrangement, before I integrate it, of the following differential equation to get the y's and x's on the same side:

(x2+1)y' = xy


Can anyone help me out with this? I've been trying all day to get both x and y on either side but I can't manage. Is there a trick to it?
Any help appreciated!

Thanks
Matthew
 
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just divide?
x/(x^2+1) = y'/y
 
Yeh but then on the right side you have (dy/dx)/y
How would you then get the dx over to the left side?

Regards
 
multiply

[tex] \frac{x}{\left(x^2+1\right)} = \frac{1}{y} \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]
[tex] \frac{x dx}{\left(x^2+1\right)} = \frac{1}{y} dy[/tex]
 
Okay sweet, thanks for that.
Next dumb question, how do you integrate the left side when dx is up the top like that?

Thanks for your help!
 
there is no "up top", its all the same, its just a simple multiplication, nothing new or crazy.
[tex] \frac{x}{x^2+1} dx[/tex]

and try u=x^2+1
 
Thanks man for your help! Ill have a look at it again tomorrow!
For now, its new years eve time! Have fun!
 

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