Rearranging variables Van Der Waals EoS into new variables

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The discussion revolves around rearranging the Van der Waals equation of state to express it in terms of dimensionless variables. The original poster is attempting to manipulate the equation to achieve specific forms for volume, pressure, and temperature.

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  • The original poster describes their attempts to rearrange the equation, noting difficulties with the appearance of volume in the desired form. Some participants clarify the expression for pressure and question the accuracy of the critical pressure reference.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and corrections regarding the critical pressure. There is a suggestion to explore the derivation further, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the approach without reaching a consensus on the final form.

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There is mention of discrepancies between assignment instructions and external sources regarding critical pressure, which may affect the understanding of the problem setup. The original poster is encouraged to share more details for additional assistance.

KDS4
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Moved from a technical forum, so homework template missing
The question I'm stuck on is:

P = NKBT/(V-Nb) - aN2/(V2) -----> (1)

Re-arrange variables in the Van Der Waals equation of state, Eq. (1), so that V always appears in the equation as V/(3Nb) and P appears as 27b2P/a. Then T should appear in the combination 27b kBT/(8a). Call these dimensionless combinations v, p, and t (also called reduced variables), and express the van der Waals equation in terms of v, p, and t.

I managed to get P to appear as 27b2P/a and T to appear as 27bKbT/8a using algebra and getting some pretty ugly terms along the way that are floating around but with V appearing multiple times in the initial equation I can't for the life of me get it to appear the way the question wants me to.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
 
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KDS4 said:
I managed to get P to appear as 27b2P/a
That should be ##27 b^2 P / (8a)## as the critical pressure is ##p_c = 8a/(27 b^2)##.
 
DrClaude said:
That should be ##27 b^2 P / (8a)## as the critical pressure is ##p_c = 8a/(27 b^2)##.

My assignment says otherwise but it also doesn't reference critical pressure.

http://imgur.com/a/Q29yi
 
That'll teach me to look up things on the internet o:)

Indeed, the source I used was wrong, and there is no 8 there. You should look up "critical constants" (maybe here http://cbc.arizona.edu/~salzmanr/480a/480ants/vdwcrit/vdwcrit.html) to get a deeper understanding of that rescaling of the VdW equation.

As for you problem, you'll have to post some details of the derivation if you want more help.
 
The easiest way to work this problem is to substitute:$$V=3Nbv$$
$$P=\frac{a}{27b^2}p$$
$$T=\frac{8a}{27bK_B}t$$
 

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