Recomposing trig and hyp functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recomposing expressions involving inverse trigonometric and hyperbolic functions, specifically arcsin and arsinh, as well as their relationships with cosine and hyperbolic cosine functions. Participants explore the mathematical transformations and relationships between these functions, including the use of complex numbers for certain cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in recomposing expressions like arcsin(cos(x)) and arsinh(cosh(x)), expecting square root expressions for the first two.
  • Another participant clarifies that arcsin(cos(x)) can be rewritten using the complement relation, resulting in arcsin(cos(x)) = π/2 - x.
  • There is a suggestion that the participant may have been thinking about the opposite problem, cos(arcsin(x)), which involves using the relation cos(x) = √(1 - (sin(x))^2).
  • A participant questions the lack of a Pythagorean relation for hyperbolic functions and expresses confusion about mixed types in real numbers.
  • Another participant provides the hyperbolic equivalent of the Pythagorean relation, stating cosh²(x) - sinh²(x) = 1.
  • There is a mention of potentially needing to use complex numbers for mixed cases, with a suggestion that cosh(x) = cos(ix) and sinh(x) = -i sin(ix) might be applicable.
  • A participant attempts to express cosh(arsinh(x)) and notes a potential issue with LaTeX formatting.
  • There is a question about how to handle the expression arsinh(cosh(x)).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on how to approach the recomposition of hyperbolic functions and whether complex numbers are necessary for certain transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for handling mixed types of functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relationships between the functions and the appropriate mathematical transformations, indicating a need for further clarification on definitions and assumptions related to hyperbolic functions.

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Hi!

I want to recompose the expression of the form:

arcsin(cosx) , arsinh(coshx), arcsin(coshx), arsinh(cosx)

but I can't figure out how this is supposed to work :( I expect square root expressions for the first two and I'm not sure one can recompose the last two without using complex numbers.

Could someone please help me in a way? Thanks in advance :)
 
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Firstly understand that problems of the form arcsin(cos(x)) are quite different to problems of the form cos(arcsin(x)).

For the first type simply use the "complement" relation that cos(x) = sin(Pi/2-x) to write,

[tex]\sin^{-1}(\cos(x)) = \sin^{-1}(\sin(\frac{\pi}{2}-x)) = \frac{\pi}{2}-x[/tex]

{or 90-x if you prefer to use degrees}.Since you "were expecting square root type expressions" I assume you where actually thinking about the opposite type of problem such as cos(arcsin(x)).

Here you need to use the relation that [itex]\cos(x) = \sqrt{1-(\sin x)^2}[/itex]

Making this substitution you get,

[tex]\cos(\sin^{-1}(x)) = \sqrt{1-(\sin (\sin^{-1} x))^2}[/tex]
[tex]= \sqrt(1-x^2)[/tex]
 
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Thanks, uart!

And what about the hyperbolic functions? There is no Pythagoras for hyperb. functions, is there?

And the mixed type in the field of the real numbers is quite unclear to me :(
 
For hyp-trig functions the equivalent of the pythagorean relation is

[tex]\cosh^2(x) - \sinh^2(x) = 1[/tex]Yeah for the mixed ones I thinked I'd have to go complex and use cosh(x) = cos(i x) and sinh(x) = -i sin(i x). Maybe someone else can offer a better solution there.
 
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So it's:

[tex]\cosh(\arsinhx)=\sqrt{1+\sinh(\arsinhx)}=\sqrt{1+x^2}[/tex]


() is suppose to have \arsinhx inside - what's wrong with the Latex typing it?


And what do we do when we have: arsinh(coshx) hmmmm?
 

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