Recursive Projectile To Explicit Formula

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The discussion centers on transforming the recursive formula for projectile motion around a planet into an explicit formula to solve for the unknown variable, velocity (v). The recursive equation is given as radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M * v^2 / radius[n] - G * P / radius[n]^2). The user struggles to eliminate the radius[n+1] term and seeks guidance on deriving an explicit equation that can yield a solution for v, particularly in relation to the final radius (C) after x cycles.

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Homework Statement



If a projectile orbits around a planet and lands after x cycles of the equation:
radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)
at a final radius of C. What is the necessary v?

The only variable that isn't known at the time of solving is v.

Basically I think I need to solve in terms of v but in order to do that I need to make the recursive formula into an explicit one but I can't figure out how.


Homework Equations



radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried writing down the sequence to find a simpler pattern with no luck. Especially since even that seems to change drastically if I change the constants such as x (the number of cycles). I tried solving it as if it were a normal equation but couldn't figure out how to get rid of the radius[n+1] term to do that and tried setting it to C (the target radius) to radius[n] (so I could ignore it) and to 0 (seemed a better way of ignoring) all with no success seemingly. Setting to radius[n] led to a cubic explicit equation but that doesn't make as much sense as the quadratic equation from setting it to C since we are dealing with motion that is similar to a conic section which is where I derived the original recursive equation from. So how do I start, or how do I make it explicit so I can solve the rest of it.

This isn't a Real homework problem so much as a problem that I desperately need a solution to and couldn't find the right section.

Pointers or solutions are soooo welcome. Thanx :)
 
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TheMaster... said:

Homework Statement



If a projectile orbits around a planet and lands after x cycles of the equation:
radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)
at a final radius of C. What is the necessary v?
I am a bit confused by the fractions on the right side. Is that
r_n- \frac{Mv^2}{r_n}\frac{GP}{r_n^2}?

Why not just
r_n- \frac{MGP v^2}{r_n^3}?

The only variable that isn't known at the time of solving is v.

Basically I think I need to solve in terms of v but in order to do that I need to make the recursive formula into an explicit one but I can't figure out how.


Homework Equations



radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried writing down the sequence to find a simpler pattern with no luck. Especially since even that seems to change drastically if I change the constants such as x (the number of cycles). I tried solving it as if it were a normal equation but couldn't figure out how to get rid of the radius[n+1] term to do that and tried setting it to C (the target radius) to radius[n] (so I could ignore it) and to 0 (seemed a better way of ignoring) all with no success seemingly. Setting to radius[n] led to a cubic explicit equation but that doesn't make as much sense as the quadratic equation from setting it to C since we are dealing with motion that is similar to a conic section which is where I derived the original recursive equation from. So how do I start, or how do I make it explicit so I can solve the rest of it.

This isn't a Real homework problem so much as a problem that I desperately need a solution to and couldn't find the right section.

Pointers or solutions are soooo welcome. Thanx :)
 
I'm sorry there should actually be a - inbetween the radius and G not a *. Thanks for taking the time to reply though.

r_n_+_1 = r_n- \frac{Mv^2}{r_n}-\frac{GP}{r_n^2}

(I stole your LaTex by the way:biggrin:)
 

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