Reference point of voltage for an electric field

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of voltage in an electric field, specifically addressing the reference point for measuring voltage and the implications of voltage being a property of the electric field. Participants explore the contextual understanding of voltage, its dependence on position, and the significance of reference points in both theoretical and practical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question where the reference point for voltage is when discussing potential energy differences between two points in an electric field.
  • Others suggest that the reference point is often assumed to be ground, although this may not always be explicitly stated.
  • There is confusion regarding the statement that voltage is a property of the electric field and its position dependence, with participants seeking clarification on these concepts.
  • A participant illustrates the concept of voltage by describing a scenario with two charged electrodes and how the potential energy of charges varies depending on their position relative to the electrodes.
  • Another participant notes that in electric circuits, the reference point is typically taken to be Earth or a designated ground, which is considered to be zero potential, but acknowledges that this is somewhat arbitrary.
  • Discussion includes historical context regarding the use of positive and negative earth systems in car electrics and how this affects circuit functioning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the reference point for voltage and the implications of voltage being a property of the electric field. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple competing views remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential ambiguity in defining reference points for voltage and the implications of different conventions in practical applications, such as in electric circuits. There are unresolved questions about the clarity of voltage as a property of the electric field and its position dependence.

Bengo
Messages
46
Reaction score
0
When you are told that V is the voltage at a given point in an electric field and voltage is the difference in potential energy between two points/charge, where is the other point supposed to be? Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
When someone says that "V is the voltage at a given point" and doesn't tell you what the other point that's relative to is... They're assuming that it is clear what they mean from the context. Nearly always, the other point will be ground.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
I also don't quite understand what is meant by voltage is a property of the field or that it is position dependent.
 
Bengo said:
I also don't quite understand what is meant by voltage is a property of the field or that it is position dependent.

Consider the electric field between two charged electrodes placed 1 meter apart. One is negatively charged, the other is positive. A positive charge is placed near the positive electrode (Point A) and another is placed midway between the electrodes (Point B). Both will accelerate towards the negative electrode (Point C), with the charge at point A gaining more energy before it hits the negative electrode than the charge placed at point B. So we can say that a charge placed at point A has more potential energy than one placed at point B. Since voltage is a difference in electric potential, point A has a greater voltage than point B, when both points are referenced to point C.

Make sense?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
Bengo said:
When you are told that V is the voltage at a given point in an electric field and voltage is the difference in potential energy between two points/charge, where is the other point supposed to be? Thanks
In an electric circuit, the reference is usually taken to be Earth (an actual connection to the Earth) or a local 'Ground', which is designated to be Zero Potential. This, latter, is arbitrary. Engineers can be sloppy in this regard and tend to take this for granted but, when dealing with small Voltages, it can be very relevant.
Car electrics used to have the + terminal of the battery connected to the car body and it was called a 'Positive Earth' system. Nowadays, it is universal (??afaik) to use a 'Negative Earth' in cars. Everything about the functioning of the circuitry would be the same but the wire connections might be different in the two cases because the body is often used for an "Earth Return"
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K