Regarding calculation of Plasma frequency and static dielectric constant

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of plasma frequency for metals such as gold (Au), silver (Ag), copper (Cu), and aluminum (Al). Participants explore methods for precise calculation, the relationship between plasma energy and band gap, and the implications of conduction electron density on these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks precise methods to calculate plasma frequency and requests data on conduction electron density.
  • Another participant suggests that calculating plasma frequency from conduction electron density is approximate and recommends using electronic structure programs for precision.
  • A participant mentions a specific value for copper's conduction electron density and expresses confusion over the resulting plasma wavelength, questioning the accuracy of the data.
  • There is a claim that the plasma frequency is not related to the band gap of the metal.
  • Another participant challenges the expected plasma wavelength for copper, asserting that 500 nm is unlikely and supporting a wavelength of around 115 nm, while noting the influence of absorption in the visible range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between plasma frequency and band gap, and there is uncertainty regarding the accuracy of the conduction electron density data and its impact on plasma wavelength calculations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the conduction electron density data and the assumptions made regarding the relationship between plasma frequency and band gap, which have not been fully explored or agreed upon.

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Hello:

I want to calculate the plasma frequency of Au, Ag, Cu and Al. But wondering what is the most precise way to calculate the plasma frequency.If anyone can help me with that it will be really appreciated.

I know that Plasma Energy = √(n*e^2/(m*ε°)) = plank constant * ωp

Here, where n is the conduction electron density, e is the elementary charge, m is the electron mass, ε° the permittivity of free space and ωp the plasmon frequency.

But I do not have precise data or table of the conduction electron density. If anyone know any link or table please provide me the source.



My other question "Is the plasma energy equal to the Band gap of the metal"? If so then how to measure "Static dielectric constant" if we measure the plasma frequency or wave length from the following equation?

Plasma Energy = Energy Band Gap = plank constant * ωp

If anyone can reply that will be a big help for me. Any kind of reply will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

Sami
 
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Calculation of the plasma frequency from the conduction electron density is only approximate.
To really calculate it precisely you need to use some electronic structure programs.
The conduction electron density can be estimated from the number of conduction electrons (valence electrons) per atom. That is 1 for Cu, Ag, Au and 3 for Al.

The plasma frequency isn't related to the band gap.
 
Thanks man for the reply. I am working on it. But for the copper I have found from a website the free electron density (I am assuming this is the conduction electron density) is 8.4 * 10^ 28 / m^3 which gives a plasma wavelength around 115 nm but it should be around 500 nm mark. Wondering what went wrong, m I missing something or free electron density data is wrong?
 
500 nm would be in the visible which I don't believe. I'd buy more the 115 nm.
Note that copper and gold have some absorptions in the visible range (from d orbitals to the conduction band) due to which their reflectivity decreases in the visible range, but that is unrelated to the position of the plasma frequency.
 

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