Related Rates Problem that I am getting wrong.

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The problem involves related rates in the context of a conical pile of sand being formed as it pours from a pipe. The relationship between the altitude and the diameter of the base is specified, and the goal is to determine how fast the altitude is increasing at a certain height.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the volume formula for a cone and how it relates to the dimensions of the pile. There is an exploration of the relationship between the radius and height of the cone, as well as the differentiation process involved in finding the rate of change of height.

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Participants have identified potential errors in the application of the volume formula and differentiation. There is acknowledgment of a mistake in the initial setup of the volume equation, and some participants are questioning the differentiation steps taken. The discussion is ongoing, with attempts to clarify and correct the mathematical expressions used.

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There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the relationship between the radius and height of the conical pile, as well as the proper application of differentiation rules. Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as stated, without additional information or assumptions.

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Homework Statement



Sand is pouring from a pipe at the rate of 16 cubic feet per second. If the falling sand forms a conical pile on the ground whose altitude is always 1/4 the diameter of the base, how fast is the altitude increasing when the pile is 4 feet high?

Homework Equations



V = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^{2}h

The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, since I am given that the altitude is 1/4 of the diameter, I rearrange the volume formula.

1/4(2)r = h
1/2r = h
r = 2h

So:

V = \frac{1}{3}\pi 2h^{2}h
or

V = \frac{1}{3}\pi 2h^{3}

Second, I'm given the rate of volume increase as 16, so \frac{dV}{dt}=16

Differentiation of both sides of the volume equation gives me:

16 = 2\pi 2h^{2}\frac{dh}{dt}

So it follows that

\frac{dh}{dt}= \frac{16}{2\pi h^{2}}

Solving this for h = 4 gives me ~= .159155

Which is incorrect.

Can someone show me where I'm messing this up?

Thanks!
 
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1MileCrash said:

Homework Statement



Sand is pouring from a pipe at the rate of 16 cubic feet per second. If the falling sand forms a conical pile on the ground whose altitude is always 1/4 the diameter of the base, how fast is the altitude increasing when the pile is 4 feet high?

Homework Equations



V = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^{2}h

The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, since I am given that the altitude is 1/4 of the diameter, I rearrange the volume formula.

1/4(2)r = h
1/2r = h
r = 2h

So:

V = \frac{1}{3}\pi 2h^{2}h

Here's the problem, I think. You need parentheses around the 2h, like this:
V = \frac{1}{3}\pi (2h)^{2}h = \frac{1}{3}\pi 4h^{3} = \frac{4}{3}\pi h^{3}

1MileCrash said:
16 = 2\pi 2h^{2}\frac{dh}{dt}
Ignoring the mistake from earlier, I don't know where that extra 2 came from.

1MileCrash said:
So it follows that

\frac{dh}{dt}= \frac{16}{2\pi h^{2}}
Now that extra 2 disappeared.

You really need to take care in typing in the equations.
 
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Check your differentiation of

V \, = \, \frac{1}{3} \pi (2) h^{3}

I think you made a small mistake in there. All your work seems ok to that point.

(P.S. sorry for basically a repeat of what the poster above pointed out. At the time I clicked on "reply" there were no responses posted)
 
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My problem was indeed the volume formula. I needed (2h)(2h).
 

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