Relating Volume Charge Density and Linear Charge Density

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves relating volume charge density and linear charge density in the context of an infinite line of charge and a thick insulating shell. The original poster presents a scenario with given values for linear density and volume density, seeking to find the linear charge density of the insulating shell.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to connect volume charge density to linear charge density by considering the geometry of the insulating shell and the infinite nature of the charge distribution. They express uncertainty about how to handle the length variable in their calculations.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the equations used, particularly regarding the volume of a cylinder and the presence of a factor of 2 in the calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the application of Gauss's law and the need for the electric field in the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and suggesting corrections. A participant confirms the validity of the revised equation after addressing a mistake, indicating progress in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the lack of access to the correct answer, which may influence the participants' confidence in their calculations. The infinite nature of the charge distribution adds complexity to the problem, particularly in relating the different charge densities.

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Homework Statement


An infinite line of charge with linear density λ1 = 6.7 μC/m is positioned along the axis of a thick insulating shell of inner radius a = 2.4 cm and outer radius b = 4.7 cm. The insulating shell is uniformly charged with a volume density of ρ = -722 μC/m3.

What is λ2, the linear charge density of the insulating shell?

Homework Equations


(Vouter shell-Vinner shell)*ρ <-- current one I'm using, but I could be wrong.

The Attempt at a Solution


My approach has been to find a bridge between the two densities by relating the volume to the length, but in every attempt I've made I've run into the problem of what to do about the length variable, as the shell is infinite. This is a gauss's law problem, so I've also tried using that to get rid of length variable - however I realized I didn't have the E-field.

With the current equation I'm using, I've again run into not knowing what to do about the length of the cylindrical shell.

ETA - Okay, I've now tried this:

ρ=Q/(2pi(b2-a2)L) and Q=ρ*V=λ*L

So, λ*L=(2pi(b2-a2)L)*ρ, and the lengths will cancel

λ=(2pi(b2-a2))*ρ

Answer is wrong though.
 
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acdurbin953 said:
λ=(2pi(b2-a2))*ρ
Looks right to me. What do you get numerically? Do you know what the answer is supposed to be?
 
acdurbin953 said:

Homework Statement


An infinite line of charge with linear density λ1 = 6.7 μC/m is positioned along the axis of a thick insulating shell of inner radius a = 2.4 cm and outer radius b = 4.7 cm. The insulating shell is uniformly charged with a volume density of ρ = -722 μC/m3.

What is λ2, the linear charge density of the insulating shell?

Homework Equations


(Vouter shell-Vinner shell)*ρ <-- current one I'm using, but I could be wrong.

The Attempt at a Solution


My approach has been to find a bridge between the two densities by relating the volume to the length, but in every attempt I've made I've run into the problem of what to do about the length variable, as the shell is infinite. This is a gauss's law problem, so I've also tried using that to get rid of length variable - however I realized I didn't have the E-field.

With the current equation I'm using, I've again run into not knowing what to do about the length of the cylindrical shell.

ETA - Okay, I've now tried this:

ρ=Q/(2pi(b2-a2)L) and Q=ρ*V=λ*L

So, λ*L=(2pi(b2-a2)L)*ρ, and the lengths will cancel

λ=(2pi(b2-a2))*ρ

Answer is wrong though.

There is no "2" in the Volume of a cylinder ... it is Area x Length.
 
lightgrav said:
There is no "2" in the Volume of a cylinder ... it is Area x Length.
Ah yes - I didn't notice the 2.
 
haruspex said:
Looks right to me. What do you get numerically? Do you know what the answer is supposed to be?

I did (-722E-6)(2pi(0.0472-0.0242)) = -7.41 μC, I input -7.41 as the units were already included and the answer was wrong. I have no access to the answer.
 
Ah! I have no idea how I didn't notice that. Removed the 2 and the answer was correct. Thank you!

I must've carried the 2 around after playing with using the surface area to solve.
 

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