Volumentric or surface charge density

In summary: I see the way. There are two ways to solve the same problem. One of them gets you to a volumetric integral that is forced in the exercise or experiment you are workin on, and the other makes you to choose a surface, at your own! and that's the good point.In this case it was possible to solve either way because the volume has cylindrical symmetry, but if not, the second one is better as long as you can choose the surface for your convenience.
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Fernandopozasaura
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Homework Statement


It is known that the potencial is given as V = 80 ρ0.6 volts. Assuming free space conditions, find a) E, b) the volume charge density at ρ=0.5 m and c) the total charge lying withing the closed surface ρ=0.6, 0<z<1

Homework Equations


E[/B]=-∇V

The Attempt at a Solution


(this is author's solution)
a) E field: E=-∇V=-∂V/∂ρ aρ = -48ρ-0.4
b)ρv=-28.8 ε0 ρ-1.4 = -673 pC/m3
So, we get an expression for ρv that depends on ρ.
c) the total charge lying within the closed surface ρ = 0.6, 0 < z < 1. The author says "the easiest way to do this calculation is to evaluate Dρ at ρ = .6 (noting that it is constant), and then multiply by the cylinder area."
Using part a, we have Dρ for ρ=0.6
= −480(.6)−.4 = −521 pC/m2. Thus
Q = −2π(.6)(1)521 × 10−12C = −1.96 nC.

And here is where I need some help becouse I understand that the author is saying that the charge is located only in cylinder's surface and so, he uses the *surface* of cylinder to get the total charge.
I worked out the solution thinking that the charge is distributed in the whole volume, not only in the surface. I thought this because the expression that gives us charge density is function or ρ and because it is expressed in C/m3 (charge per unit of volume).
I've done a volume integration from 0 < Φ < 2π, 0 < z < 1 and 0 < ρ < 0.6 meters.
There's nothing in exercise that make you think that the cylinder is conductive in which case the charge would be on surface.
I guess I'm wrong, but why?
Thanks for your answers.

Fernando
Author's solution says that
 
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Hello and welcome to PF!

Can you relate the author's solution for part (c) to Gauss' law? Can you clarify the notation Dρ? Does this stand for the ρ component of the ##\vec{D} ## field?
 
  • #3
TSny said:
Hello and welcome to PF!
Thanks!
Thank you very much for such a quick answer Tsny,
Well, first of all, let me get familiar with this editor.

Can you relate the author's solution for part (c) to Gauss' law?
It's related through this expression
∫D.dS = Q (this integral is over a closed generic surface containing Q)
On the other hand working out that integral you can get to
Divergence of D = div D = ∇.D = ρv and then, so
Q=∫v∇.D dv
and this is the volume integral I did.

Can you clarify the notation Dρ? Does this stand for the ρ component of the ##\vec{D} ## field?
Yes. That it's. The only component of D in this case.

What I don't understand is why author fix ρ to 0.6 (the surface of cylinder) instead of going since the axis of it (ρ=0) to the surface, taking into account the charge (I think) exists inside. Moreover when in part b) the answer for the volume charge density is expressed in C/m3 meaning that there are charge inside the cylinder.
 
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Yes, there is a nonuniform volume charge density spread throughout space. Your method should work, but it is easier to use Gauss' law in the form ∫D.dS = Q for part (c).
 
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Humm, would you say the exercise is wrongly solved?
I think I would.
To me, most important thing is that there is no weird magic hidden that I didn't notice.
Thanks again Tsny.
 
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Fernandopozasaura said:
Humm, would you say the exercise is wrongly solved?
I think I would.

I think the solution as given is correct. But I did notice a typo:
Using part a, we have Dρ for ρ=0.6
= −480(.6)−.4 = −521 pC/m2.
the 480 should be 48ε0, where the ε0 comes from the relation D = ε0 E.

What part of using Gauss' law do you think is incorrect in the solution?
 
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What i think is wrong is, in part c), not making a volume integration from cylinder axis to its surface. Instead supposing all charge is placed on it and then just multiply lateral surface times charge density.
There is nothing wrong with Gauss's las use.
Once again, thanks
Fernando
 
  • #8
In the solution, the integration over the surface is not an integration of any charge density. It's an integration of the normal component of ##\vec{D}## over the surface. According to Gauss' law, this will give you the total charge Q contained within the volume enclosed by the surface.
 
  • #9
Good morning Tsny,
I see the way. There are two ways to solve the same problem. One of them gets you to a volumetric integral that is forced in the exercise or experiment you are workin on, and the other makes you to choose a surface, at your own! and that's the good point.
In this case it was possible to solve either way because the volume has cylindrical symmetry, but if not, the second one is better as long as you can choose the surface for your convenience.

Now I'm having a hard time getting to the same numerical result using both ways, but that's my problem.

¡Solved!, Thank you very much.
Fernando
 

Related to Volumentric or surface charge density

What is volumetric charge density?

Volumetric charge density, also known as volume charge density, is a measure of the amount of electric charge per unit volume in a given region of space. It is denoted by the symbol ρ and is typically measured in units of Coulombs per cubic meter (C/m³).

What is surface charge density?

Surface charge density is a measure of the amount of electric charge per unit area on the surface of a material. It is denoted by the symbol σ and is typically measured in units of Coulombs per square meter (C/m²).

What is the difference between volumetric and surface charge density?

The main difference between volumetric and surface charge density is that volumetric charge density measures charge within a three-dimensional volume, while surface charge density measures charge on a two-dimensional surface. This means that volumetric charge density takes into account the charge distributed throughout the entire volume of an object, while surface charge density only considers the charge on the surface of an object.

How is volumetric charge density calculated?

Volumetric charge density can be calculated by dividing the total charge within a given volume by the volume itself. Mathematically, it can be represented as ρ = Q/V, where ρ is the volumetric charge density, Q is the total charge, and V is the volume.

What factors can affect the value of surface charge density?

The value of surface charge density can be affected by a variety of factors, including the material properties of the surface, the presence of nearby charges, and external electric fields. It can also be influenced by the shape and size of the surface, as well as the nature of the material it is in contact with.

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