Relationship between hyperbolic cosine and cosine

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between hyperbolic cosine and cosine, particularly in the context of their geometric interpretations related to the hyperbola and the unit circle. Participants explore the definitions and identities involving these functions, as well as their implications in specific geometric scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a geometric interpretation involving the hyperbola x^2 - y^2 = 1 and its intersection with a line, questioning the definition of hyperbolic cosine in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that the identity m = tanh(α) should be used instead of m = tan(α) for the relationship being discussed.
  • A participant emphasizes that the cosine function is defined as the x-coordinate of a point on the unit circle, while hyperbolic cosine is defined similarly for the hyperbola, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the original question.
  • There is a clarification regarding the term "distance around the circumference," with participants agreeing that it refers to arc length in the context of the unit circle and hyperbolic distances in relation to hyperbolas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct definitions and relationships between hyperbolic cosine and cosine, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of hyperbolic functions and their geometric interpretations, particularly in relation to the use of tangent and hyperbolic tangent in the context of the discussion.

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Hello,

I am considering the hyperbola x^2-y^2=1 and its intersection with the line y=mx. The positive x-coordinate of the intersection is given by: x=\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-\tan^2\alpha}}=\sqrt{\frac{\cos^2 \alpha}{\cos(2\alpha)}}=\cos\alpha \sqrt{\sec(2\alpha)} where we used the identity m=\tan\alpha.

However, using Euler formulas for cosines does not seem to give the relationship: \cosh(\alpha)=\cos(i\alpha).
Am I using a wrong geometrical definition of hyperbolic cosine? I mean, perhaps the hyperbolic cosine is not simply the x-coordinate of the intersection of a ray with the hyperbola?
 
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hello mnb96! :smile:

(i'm not quite following your question, but anyway …)

you need to use m = tanhα :wink:
 
mnb96 said:
Hello,

I am considering the hyperbola x^2-y^2=1 and its intersection with the line y=mx. The positive x-coordinate of the intersection is given by: x=\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-\tan^2\alpha}}=\sqrt{\frac{\cos^2 \alpha}{\cos(2\alpha)}}=\cos\alpha \sqrt{\sec(2\alpha)} where we used the identity m=\tan\alpha.

However, using Euler formulas for cosines does not seem to give the relationship: \cosh(\alpha)=\cos(i\alpha).
Am I using a wrong geometrical definition of hyperbolic cosine? I mean, perhaps the hyperbolic cosine is not simply the x-coordinate of the intersection of a ray with the hyperbola?
Yes, you are. The line y= mx has nothing to do with it. 'cos(t)' is defined as the x-coordinate of the point (x,y) at distance t around the circumference of the circle, x^2+ y^2= 1 from (1, 0).

So 'cosh(t)' is the x-coordinate of (x, y) at distance t around the curve x^2- y^2= 1 from (1, 0).
 
thanks for your replies!

@Hallsofivy: when you said "distance around the circumference" you meant distance in terms of arc length of the circumference of the unit circle?
 
mnb96 said:
@Hallsofivy: when you said "distance around the circumference" you meant distance in terms of arc length of the circumference of the unit circle?

yes he did :smile:

arc-distance round a circle is proportional to angle,

and arc-distance round a hyperbola is proportional to hyperangle :wink:
 

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