Relationship between stress and density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between mechanical stress and density in materials, particularly in the context of stress-induced birefringence and its implications for dielectric properties. Participants explore whether applied stress can lead to measurable changes in density and how this might relate to other physical properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if it is possible to calculate the difference in density due to applied mechanical stress, suggesting a method involving stress calculations.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no relationship between bending stress and the change in density of an elastic structure.
  • A participant mentions their interest in linking stress-induced birefringence to changes in dielectric constant and density, referencing the Clausius-Mossotti relation.
  • There is a suggestion that a dielectric material under deformation might maintain its density while changing shape, although this is presented as an assumption rather than a conclusion.
  • Photoelasticity is mentioned as a method that utilizes birefringence to visualize stress distribution in materials.
  • A later reply proposes that using the 3D tensorial form of Hooke's law could allow for the calculation of density changes in linearly elastic solids under loading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between stress and density, with some asserting no direct relationship exists while others explore potential connections through different physical properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of stress-induced density changes.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific assumptions about material properties and loading conditions, and the discussion includes references to established physical principles that may not be universally applicable in all contexts.

MarcGyongyosi
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Hi everyone,

I am curious as to whether it is possible to calculate the difference in density due to applied (mechanical) stress on an object.

E.g.: apply a controlled force of, say, 50 N on a structure, calculate the mechanical stress in the object with sigma = M/I * z and then go on from there, using some kind of relationship between stress and density to figure out how density changes throughout the object...

Looking forward to an answer, if there is one ;)

Thank you very much!Marc
 
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The compressibility of a substance is discussed here
Everything is compressible but solids and liquids are a lot lot less compressible than gases.
 
where?
 
HAha - click on the blue "here".
 
that link was not there when I first loaded the page.
 
In a nutshell, no, there is no relationship between bending stress and the change in density of an elastic structure.

I am curious as to what prompted this question in the first place.
 
Hi,
we are working on a problem involving stress-induced birefringence... since the dielectric constant of a substance can be put in relation with its density (Clausius-Mossotti relation) it would have been interesting to be able to link a "change in density" due to stress to a change in the dielectric constant... I guess, however, we'll have to look for another way!

But thank you very much!
 
Just a thought. As the compressibility of solids is so high, would it not be more likely that a dielectric material, when deformed by a force, would assume a shape which would maintain the density, ( i.e. virtually unchanged) as it changed shape? I am not into Materials Science really but it would seem a reasonable assumption.
(I pressed the 'go' button on my first post before I was ready)
 
Photoelasticity also uses birefringence of materials to show the distribution of stresses within the material as it is loaded.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelasticity

I think the C-M formula involves the density of a material, not the change in density. Are you saying that the dielectric constant a material isn't a constant?
 
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@SteamKing

given birefringence and from Maxwell's eqn. with [itex]\mu[/itex]≈1 and εr=n2 I am trying to use the C-M formula to compute the refractive index given a volume change due to a force applied on the structure/object... I'll work on it and see if it fits the experimental data...

Thank you for your help!

Marc
 
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Using the 3D tensorial form of Hooke's law involving the Young's modulus and the Poisson ratio, one can calculate the change in density of a linearly elastic solid material under prescribed loading.
 

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