Relative Speed of Two Inertial Frames | Proving It Must Be Same

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The discussion centers on the concept of relative speed between two inertial frames, specifically exploring whether it can be proven that the relative speed must be the same when measured from either frame. The scope includes theoretical considerations and the implications of symmetry in inertial frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the relative speed of two inertial frames must be symmetrical, implying that if one frame measures a certain speed, the other must measure the same speed in the opposite direction.
  • One participant questions how to determine which frame would measure a higher speed if the speeds were not the same, indicating a potential conflict in measurements.
  • Another participant elaborates on the symmetry argument by suggesting that if both frames agree on the construction of measuring equipment and the laws of physics are the same, then they should arrive at identical measurements regarding each other's speed and distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of relative speed measurements between inertial frames, with some supporting the symmetry argument while others raise questions about the measurement process and potential discrepancies.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the definitions of speed and measurement in different inertial frames, nor does it clarify the conditions under which the symmetry argument holds.

A.Abbadi
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I'm wondering .. if there is an argument could prove that the relative speed of two inertial frames must be the same .
 
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I guess you mean as measured in each frame?

If the two frames measured different relative speeds, then which one would measure the higher speed?
 
A.Abbadi said:
I'm wondering .. if there is an argument could prove that the relative speed of two inertial frames must be the same .
It would violate the equivalence of inertial frames, if their relative speed weren’t symmetrical.
 
To convince myself of the complete validity of the symmetry argument, I expanded it as follow:

Let A and B start by agreeing, through communication over EM waves, to build identical measuring equipments - i.e. they agree on physical units, then how to build an atomic clock, a Doppler radar, and sighting equipment for angular speeds. Each observer's equipment, as well as the results of their measurements (velocity and distance of the other observer) are unambiguously defined in terms of their local laws of physics.

Now assuming the local laws of physics are the same for both, it follows that they mut get identical results: the distance of B from A, and the speed of B's movement relative to A, are the same as those of A relative to B.

Not saying anything more than previous posters of course, just being pedantic I guess.
 
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