Relative velocity of a plane problem

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The problem involves a plane flying at an airspeed of 250 km/h while a wind blows at 80 km/h at an angle of 60 degrees east of north. The questions focus on determining the direction the plane should fly to maintain a northward path relative to the ground and the resultant speed of the plane relative to the ground.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the vector representation of the plane's motion and the wind's effect, questioning the arrangement of vectors and the implications for the plane's required direction. There are attempts to clarify the relationships between the vectors involved and the angles they form.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on vector manipulation and the relationships between the plane's airspeed and the wind speed. There is ongoing exploration of the correct setup for the problem, with multiple interpretations of the vector directions being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding vector notation and the relationships between the different velocities involved. There is also a mention of confusion about the application of the sine and cosine rules in the context of the triangle formed by the vectors.

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Homework Statement


a plane flies at an airspeed of 250 km/h. A wind is blowing at 80 km/h toward the direction 60(degrees) east of north.

a) in what direction should it fly in order to fly north relative to the ground?
b) what is the speed of the plane relative to the ground?

Homework Equations


Pythagorean theorem?
tan-1(y/x)=theta

The Attempt at a Solution


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the back of the book states:
a) 16 west of north
b) 280 km/s (i think it means km/h)

i get
a) 108 (18 west of north)
b) 221 km/hwtf?now that i look over it, I'm not really sure where the 250 goes. If the plane travels at 250 km/h and the wind also it pushes north-east, then it should be going faster.
 
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You should swap the purple and blue vectors; the plane should be traveling in the current blue direction to compensate for the wind and achieve an overall north motion.

Also, the red vector should only have the arrow pointing in the north eastish direction, and should stop on the vertical axis.
 
Gib Z said:
You should swap the purple and blue vectors; the plane should be traveling in the current blue direction to compensate for the wind and achieve an overall north motion.

Also, the red vector should only have the arrow pointing in the north eastish direction, and should stop on the vertical axis.

right... it has to fly in the blue direction to compensate for the wind. It's asking you to find that direction and speed. Why do the vectors have to be switched? It has to fly north relative to the ground so that has to be the vector relative to the ground.

i extended the red vector to show subtractionI don't understand what you mean.
 
Sorry I seem to have just misunderstood your notation.

Ok so you know V_pw = 250, V_wg = 80, and the angle V_wg makes with the vertical axis is 60 degrees since the angle sum of a straight line is 180 degrees. So now you have a triangle with two known sides and a known angle; with the sine and cosine rules you can figure everything about the triangle now.
 
Gib Z said:
Sorry I seem to have just misunderstood your notation.

Ok so you know V_pw = 250, V_wg = 80, and the angle V_wg makes with the vertical axis is 60 degrees since the angle sum of a straight line is 180 degrees. So now you have a triangle with two known sides and a known angle; with the sine and cosine rules you can figure everything about the triangle now.
What is wrong with what I am already doing?

250 is supposed to be the V_pw vector? that's it?
 
Read my post: V_pw is 250, not V_pg.

EDIT: In response to your edit, yes, that's is.
 

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