Relative velocity question from giancoli physics

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The discussion revolves around a relative velocity problem involving an airplane's airspeed and the effect of wind on its intended flight path. The original poster seeks to determine the angle theta at which the airplane should head to maintain a straight path given a wind blowing from the north.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Pythagorean theorem and the sine law in solving the problem. The original poster expresses confusion over their approach and the resulting incorrect answer, while others suggest reconsidering the assumptions about the triangle's angles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the sine rule, and there is acknowledgment of potential misinterpretations of the triangle involved in the scenario.

Contextual Notes

There is a correction noted regarding the angle from 30 degrees to 35 degrees, and participants are addressing the implications of this change on their calculations. The original poster also mentions a lack of familiarity with scientific notation.

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Homework Statement


I attached the picture on the bottom (correction on the picture 30 degrees ---> 35 degrees sorry about that)
Vpa: 600 km/h
Vag:100 km/h

and the question is to find the angle theta

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



So I tried using Pythagorean theory by setting x and y

[tex](V_pa)^2 =y^2 + x^2[/tex]

set [tex]y = x/ (tan 35)[/tex]

so then I solved x = 344.1458617 Km/h

and since [tex]Sin/theta = (V_ag + x)/V_pa[/tex]

[tex]/theta = 47.75271609[/tex]

sorry for ignoring the scientific notation,
I am not used to it :(

um anyways my answer was wrong
because the "solution" chose to use the 'sine law'
and that gives the right answer but I wanted to know what I did wrong to get the wrong answermuch appreciated
 
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hamsterpower7 said:

Homework Statement


I attached the picture on the bottom (correction on the picture 30 degrees ---> 35 degrees sorry about that)
Vpa: 600 km/h
Vag:100 km/h

and the question is to find the angle theta

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So I tried using Pythagorean theory by setting x and y

[tex](V_pa)^2 =y^2 + x^2[/tex]

set [tex]y = x/ (tan 35)[/tex]

so then I solved x = 344.1458617 Km/h

and since [tex]Sin/theta = (V_ag + x)/V_pa[/tex]

[tex]/theta = 47.75271609[/tex]

sorry for ignoring the scientific notation,
I am not used to it :(

um anyways my answer was wrong
because the "solution" chose to use the 'sine law'
and that gives the right answer but I wanted to know what I did wrong to get the wrong answer


much appreciated

Your diagram shows right angled triangles. The real situation may not be right angled, which would necessitate use of sin rule or cos rule
 
Okay I will post the question up to see if it wasn't a right angle

An airplane, whose air speed is 600km/h, is supposed to fly in a straight path 35 degrees north of east
but a steady 100km/h wind is blowing from the north
in what direction shuold the plane head?
 
hamsterpower7 said:

Homework Statement


I attached the picture on the bottom (correction on the picture 30 degrees ---> 35 degrees sorry about that)
Vpa: 600 km/h
Vag:100 km/h

and the question is to find the angle theta

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So I tried using Pythagorean theory by setting x and y

[tex](V_pa)^2 =y^2 + x^2[/tex]

set [tex]y = x/ (tan 35)[/tex]

so then I solved x = 344.1458617 Km/h

and since [tex]Sin/theta = (V_ag + x)/V_pa[/tex]

[tex]/theta = 47.75271609[/tex]

sorry for ignoring the scientific notation,
I am not used to it :(

um anyways my answer was wrong
because the "solution" chose to use the 'sine law'
and that gives the right answer but I wanted to know what I did wrong to get the wrong answer


much appreciated

[Responding to your original so I can copy your symbols]

Your first line was incorrect

[tex](V_pa)^2 =y^2 + x^2[/tex]

It should read

[tex](V_pg)^2 =y^2 + x^2[/tex]

and since you don't know [tex](V_pg)[/tex] it doesn't get you anywhere.

You have to use the sine rule on the triangle including theta to solve
 

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