Relative volume of combusted hydrogen

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The discussion centers on the expected volume of steam produced from igniting Brown's gas at 20°C and 1 atm. It is established that the resultant volume remains unchanged in a sufficiently strong container with a freely-moving piston. The conversation emphasizes the importance of defining specific conditions for the combustion process, such as whether the steam expands adiabatically and the number of moles of gas before and after combustion. A professional combustion researcher advises against conducting combustion experiments without proper knowledge and experience.

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Hi,

If I had a volume of Brown's gas at 20°C / 1atm, what would the expected volume [of the resultant steam] be immediately after it was ignited?

Thanks!
Bob
 
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bobbyg said:
If I had a volume of Brown's gas at 20°C / 1atm, what would the expected volume [of the resultant steam] be immediately after it was ignited?

In a sufficiently strong container it would remain unchanged. Please specify the conditions.
 
DrStupid said:
In a sufficiently strong container it would remain unchanged. Please specify the conditions.
The container is solid, with a freely-moving piston of negligible mass
 
bobbyg said:
The container is solid, with a freely-moving piston of negligible mass
You will want to nail the scenario down more tightly than that.

For instance, do you want the steam to more or less freely (and adiabatically) expand until it has reached ambient pressure? This, while doing work on the piston against the force of ambient pressure on its other side?

Oh... and is this homework by any chance?
 
How many moles of gas are there before combustion? How many moles of gas are they after combustion? Is the reaction assumed to take place at constant temperature, or is the system insulated?
 
Edit: don't worry. I will just try some physical experiments. Thanks for taking the time to reply
 
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bobbyg said:
Edit: don't worry. I will just try some physical experiments.

"Don't worry" and "just try some physical experiments" with Brown's gas don't fit together.
 
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"Don't worry" also does not go well with combustion experiments performed by inexperienced students, especially if it is hydrogen. I am currently assisting with a combustion course and these kind of questions (e.g. computing volume expansion of a combustion process at constant pressure ) are covered in the second lecture.
My advice as a professional combustion researcher to you is: do not do combustion experiments.
 

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