Relativistic kinetic energy and momentum

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The discussion revolves around a problem in relativistic physics, specifically focusing on the kinetic energy and momentum of a proton and an electron. The original poster attempts to find the speed of an electron that matches the kinetic energy and momentum of a proton moving at 0.2c.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the original poster's attempts to solve for the speed of the electron, noting issues with negative values under the square root in the kinetic energy calculation. There are questions about the correctness of the final expression for velocity and the implications of a result approaching the speed of light.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on checking calculations and simplifying expressions. There is acknowledgment of mistakes made in the calculations, but no consensus on the final answers has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion regarding the signs in the equations and the implications of results that approach the speed of light, indicating a need for careful consideration of relativistic effects.

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Homework Statement


A proton has a speed of 0.2c. Find the speed of an electron that has (a) the same kinetic energy as the proton, and (b) the same momentum as the proton.

Homework Equations


K=ϒmc^2-mc^2

The Attempt at a Solution


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This is what I did for the same kinetic energy part, but I would end up with a negative under my square root. I found the formula in my notes, I'm not really sure what to do but I tried something. Can anyone offer me some guidance? I have not attempted the momentum part yet
 
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You are OK all the way up to your final expression for v. You made a minor mistake in solving for v. Check your work to see if you can find the mistake.

Also, you can rearrange ##\frac{1}{\frac{K+mc^2}{mc^2}}## to a simpler fraction.
 
TSny said:
You are OK all the way up to your final expression for v. You made a minor mistake in solving for v. Check your work to see if you can find the mistake.

Also, you can rearrange ##\frac{1}{\frac{K+mc^2}{mc^2}}## to a simpler fraction.
It will be multiplied by a negative c ?
 
Cocoleia said:
It will be multiplied by a negative c ?
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are saying here.
 
TSny said:
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are saying here.
My mistake was that when I solved for v I forgot the negative sign
 
Cocoleia said:
My mistake was that when I solved for v I forgot the negative sign
Yes. Good.
 
TSny said:
Yes. Good.
This is what I did for when they have the same momentum
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It just seems weird that it gives me the speed of light I feel like that's probably wrong.
 
Looks good, but if your calculator is accurate enough, you should find that the answer for v is slightly less than c.
 
TSny said:
Looks good, but if your calculator is accurate enough, you should find that the answer for v is slightly less than c.
Ok, it was a bit less but I rounded it. I could right the exact answer
 

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