Relativistic Velocity, Perp. Accel., Momentum: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the relativistic effects on velocity and momentum when a stationary observer accelerates in a direction perpendicular to the motion of a particle moving at a velocity close to the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of Lorentz transformations on the particle's velocity and momentum in different inertial frames.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the total velocity of a particle changes when an observer accelerates in a perpendicular direction, noting that while the total velocity increases, the northward component decreases.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of four-vectors to analyze the situation, providing mathematical expressions for the particle's four-velocity in different inertial frames.
  • A participant suggests that the momentum in the north direction remains unchanged, raising the question of whether this is due to the gamma factor increasing.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the northward velocity slows down by a factor of gamma associated with the observer's acceleration, linking this to time dilation effects.
  • Another participant reiterates that the coordinates in the north direction remain the same for both frames, emphasizing the relationship between the particle's velocity and its proper time as measured in different frames.
  • There is a mention of the four-momentum being invariant under Lorentz transformations, suggesting that the momentum in the north direction remains consistent across frames.
  • A participant notes that for a boost perpendicular to the original velocity, the only effect is time dilation, which accounts for the rescaling of the velocity component in the original direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how velocity and momentum are affected by the observer's acceleration. There is no clear consensus on the implications of these transformations, and multiple competing interpretations of the effects remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical formulations and concepts such as four-vectors and Lorentz transformations, but some assumptions and dependencies on definitions are not fully explored. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these transformations on the particle's momentum and velocity.

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A stationary observer sees a particle moving north at velocity v very close to the speed of light. Then the observer accelerates eastward to velocity v. What is its new total velocity of the particle toward the north-west relative to the observer?

I ask because while the particles total velocity will be higher its velocity northward will be lower. It is counterintuitive that accelerating a particle in one direction will decrease its velocity in another.

Will its momentum in the north direction also be lower? I am sure it won't but why not? (because gamma increases?). How does the math work out?
 
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If I understand you right, you have a particle moving with a velocity ##\vec{v} =v \vec{e}_x## wrt. to an inertial frame ##\Sigma## and you want to know its velocity in an inertial frame which moves with a velocity ##\vec{w}=w \vec{e}_y##.

It's easier to work first with four-vectors. The particle's four-velocity components wrt. to ##\Sigma## are
$$u^{\mu}=\gamma_v (1,\beta_v,0,0).$$
The components wrt. ##\Sigma'## are given by a Lorentz boost in ##y##-direction with velocity ##\vec{w}##, i.e., for the four-vector components you have
$$u^{\prime \mu}=[\gamma_w (u^0-\beta_w u^2),u^1,\gamma_w(-\beta_w u^0 + u^2),u^3]= \gamma_v (\gamma_w,\beta_v,-\beta_w \gamma_w,0).$$
The three-velocity thus is
$$\vec{v}'=c \vec{u}'/u^{\prime 0}=\frac{c}{\gamma_v \gamma_w} (\gamma_v \beta_v,-\gamma_v \beta_w \gamma_w,0)=(v/\gamma_w,-w,0).$$
 
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So the momentum in the north direction (##e_x##) becomes ## \gamma_v \gamma_w \cdot v / \gamma_w ##? The same as it was before? (Times the mass of course and c I guess)
 
So its velocity in the north direction slowed down by ##\gamma_w##. Exactly the amount its internal clock slowed down! (As measured by the observer)

Relativity is weird!
 
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em3ry said:
So its velocity in the north direction slowed down by ##\gamma_w##. Exactly the amount its internal clock slowed down!
The coordinates in the N direction are the same for both frames, as this direction is perpendicular to the relative motion. If we imagine the particle traveling a distance ##d## in the N-direction while its internal clock (proper time) advances by ##\tau##, then the N-component of the particle's velocity is directly related to the particle's time dilation as measured in the two frames.

In other words, if ##u_N, u'_N## is the N-component of the particle's velocity in the two frames and ##\gamma, \gamma'## is the particle's gamma factor in the two frames, then the speed in the N-direction as measured in the two frames is: $$v = \frac{d}{\gamma \tau} \ \ \text{and} \ \ v' = \frac{d}{\gamma' \tau}$$
 
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em3ry said:
So the momentum in the north direction (##e_x##) becomes ## \gamma_v \gamma_w \cdot v / \gamma_w ##? The same as it was before? (Times the mass of course and c I guess)
That follows automatically, as four-momentum is a four-vector: ##p^x = p'^x##.

Where: ##p^x = \gamma m v^x## and ##p'^x = \gamma' m v'^x##.
 
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For a boost perpendicular to the velocity in ##\Sigma## all there is, is time dilation for the velocity component in the original direction, which explains the rescaling with ##1/\gamma_w## of this component.
 
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