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a.cos(wt) + b.sin(wt) = M.cos(wt + ϕ)
Can you give me M and ϕ in terms of a and b?
Can you give me M and ϕ in terms of a and b?
The discussion revolves around representing the sum of cosine and sine functions as a single cosine expression, specifically in the form a.cos(wt) + b.sin(wt) = M.cos(wt + ϕ). Participants explore how to derive the values of M and ϕ in terms of a and b, engaging in both derivation and verification of these expressions.
While some participants confirm the derived expressions for M and ϕ, there remains uncertainty and differing opinions on the necessity of personal effort in solving such problems. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to the derivation.
Participants assume M is always positive and keep any negativity in the phase angle ϕ. There are also references to specific mathematical identities and their applications, but no resolution of potential misunderstandings or errors in derivations is provided.
No.hkBattousai said:The final representation was something like
M = sqrt(a^2 + b^2)
and
ϕ = arctan(-b/a)
but I'm no sure.
Can anyone confirm it for me?
M.cos(wt + ϕ) = a.cos(wt) + b.sin(wt)
cos(wt + ϕ) = (a/M).cos(wt) + (b/M).sin(wt)...(I)
cos(wt + ϕ) = cos(wt).cos(ϕ) - sin(wt).sin(ϕ)...(II)
From (I) and (II),
cos(ϕ) = (a/M)
sin(ϕ) = -(b/M)
cos^2(ϕ) + sin^2(ϕ) = (a^2 + b^2)/(M^2) = 1
We assume that M is always positive and we keep any negativity in the phase angle ϕ,
M = sqrt(a^2 + b^2)
sin(ϕ)/cos(ϕ) = tan(ϕ) = -(b/M)/(a/M) = -b/a
tan(ϕ) = -b/a ==> ϕ = arctan(-b/a)
hkBattousai said:Code:M.cos(wt + ϕ) = a.cos(wt) + b.sin(wt) cos(wt + ϕ) = (a/M).cos(wt) + (b/M).sin(wt)...(I) cos(wt + ϕ) = cos(wt).cos(ϕ) - sin(wt).sin(ϕ)...(II) From (I) and (II), cos(ϕ) = (a/M) sin(ϕ) = -(b/M) cos^2(ϕ) + sin^2(ϕ) = (a^2 + b^2)/(M^2) = 1 We assume that M is always positive and we keep any negativity in the phase angle ϕ, M = sqrt(a^2 + b^2) sin(ϕ)/cos(ϕ) = tan(ϕ) = -(b/M)/(a/M) = -b/a tan(ϕ) = -b/a ==> ϕ = arctan(-b/a)
Is there anything wrong in my derivation?
hkBattousai said:I liked your way of "you must do it yourself if you want to success"... :)
Landau said:You could also do the following:
t=0 gives a=M cos(ϕ),
t=pi/(2w) gives b=-M sin(ϕ).
Hence
a^2+b^2=M^2,
tan(ϕ)=-b/a.