Resolve force into components along different paths

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The discussion revolves around resolving forces into components along specified axes, specifically focusing on a homework problem involving two forces acting on a point. Participants explore methods for calculating the resultant force and resolving individual forces into their components along the u and V axes, utilizing trigonometric principles and vector analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) seeks assistance with parts B and C of the problem, specifically how to resolve the forces into components along the u and V axes.
  • One participant suggests drawing vector triangles to aid in understanding the problem and mentions the use of dot and cross products.
  • Another participant provides a visual aid to help the OP understand the resolution of forces and applies the law of sines to find the components.
  • The OP acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the orientation of the triangle and provides calculated values for the components of the forces based on their revised understanding.
  • There is a question about how to derive the second case using the dot product, with a participant explaining the geometric interpretation of the dot product in relation to force components.
  • Participants discuss the significance of certain angles in trigonometric calculations, noting that they are "nice" angles that simplify the calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the methods to resolve forces into components, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or interpretations of the results, as some participants provide different approaches and values.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correct application of trigonometric principles and the use of vector diagrams, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific course teachings and interpretations of vector resolution.

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Homework Statement



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A. Determine magnitude of resultant force (of F1 and F2 acting on the point)

B. Resolve F1 into components along the u and V axes and determine the magnitudes of these components.

C. Resolve F1 into components along the u and V axes and determine the magnitudes of these components.

Homework Equations


law of sines,

Pythagorean theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



I just need help with parts B and C.

A goes :

Fx = 150(cos60) + 200(cos45)= 216 lb

Fy = 150(sin60) + 200(sin45) = -11.5 lb

(2162 + 11.52)1/2 means

R = 216 lb at 3 deg under the U axis because tan-1(-11.5/216) = -3 For part B the only guide to find how to solve these before is use law of sines, but

trying to solve for resolving the components of F1 along a and B:

200 / (sin45) = F(u) / 1

F(u) = 282 lb

but it is supposedly wrong.

Any hints?
 
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It is useful to draw the vector triangles to help you know what to do.
Trying to remember equations won't help. But you do know how to do trigonometry - and you know how to handle triangles that are not right-angle triangles? And you know about dot and cross products?

B. resolve along u and V axis
This means either:
1. ##\vec{F}_1=a\hat{u}+b\hat{V}## (where the hats indicate a unit vector)
2. the amount of ##\vec{F}_1## along direction ##\hat{u}## and ##\hat{V}##.

You'll have to figure out which depending on how your course is taught.

The second one comes from the dot product.

The first one is trickier - you you need to draw the vector head-to-tails summation diagram where one vector is along the V direction and the other vector is along the u direction (lynchpin: the magnitude can be negative - you can use the fact that the u-direction is horizontal to help your sketch). You can use the geometry of the resulting triangle to help you.
 
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I drew you this image to help you with part B. If you can get this you'll know how to do part C

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Now you use law of sines to find F_u and F_v. let's see if that gives you an idea on how to go along with this. I hope you can see how i got the angles.
 
That's the one! That's really close to doing the homework for the OP though.
Hopefully OP can see how that was drawn.
If not, it may be easier to do F2 first.
 
Thanks, I had the triangle wrong. I did not really know that it was supposed to be parallel to the other axis. Yes, Simon, it was asking for the first one.

Part B: 200 lb/(sin 30) = Fu/(sin 105) ---> Fu = 386 lb

Part C: 200 / (sin 30) = Fv / (sin 45) ---> Fv = 283 lbThe second one might be helpful to know later on too. Can I ask how the second case comes from the dot product? I'm guessing you would just be looking for the magnitude and it would probably go something like: (magnitude in direction) = (orginal force) / cos (angle between original force and direction) ?
 
Can I ask how the second case comes from the dot product?
From the geometric interpretation of the dot product...

i.e. for when you consider forces that do not act through the center of mass...

The amount of ##\vec{u}## in direction ##\vec{v}## is ##\vec{u}\cdot\vec{v}/|\vec{v}| = |\vec{u}|\cos\theta## where ##\theta## is the angle between them.

Note: the angles you were given, 30, 60, 45, are "nice" angles:

##\sin(30)=\cos(60)=\frac{1}{2}## ; ##\cos(30)=\sin(60)=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}## ... 2-1-√3 triangle

##\sin(45)=\cos(45)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}## ... 1-1-√2 triangle

... it is worth memorizing these, and the angles in a 3-4-5 triangle.
 
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