Resonant Lengths in open air column question

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An organ pipe measuring 1.2 meters in length, open at both ends, produces a fundamental frequency calculated using the wave equation (f = v/λ). Given the speed of sound in air at 345 m/s, the fundamental frequency corresponds to a wavelength that is twice the length of the pipe, thus λ = 2L. The discussion clarifies that the fundamental frequency is indeed associated with half a wavelength in this scenario. For a pipe closed at one end, the fundamental frequency would correspond to a quarter wavelength fitting within the pipe.

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Homework Statement


An organ pipe 1.2m long and open at both ends produces a note with the fundamental frequency. If the speed of sound in air is 345 m/s, what is the fundamental frequency?

Homework Equations


Wave equation (f = v/lambda)

The Attempt at a Solution


My textbook solves the problem like so:
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My question is: why do they use the full wavelength here? As I understand it, the fundamental frequency is only half a wavelength. This would be more like the second resonant length, which was not what the question asks.
 

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BadDriver said:
the fundamental frequency is only half a wavelength
First, a frequency is not a length.
Fundamental frequency means the lowest note the pipe can produce. Being open at both ends, the pipe will only contain half a wavelength. Thus, as you imply, the fundamental frequency here corresponds to a half wavelength. Hence the λ=2L.
But to find the frequency that you hear you must divide the speed of sound by the full wavelength.
 
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haruspex said:
First, a frequency is not a length.
Fundamental frequency means the lowest note the pipe can produce. Being open at both ends, the pipe will only contain half a wavelength. Thus, as you imply, the fundamental frequency here corresponds to a half wavelength. Hence the λ=2L.
But to find the frequency that you hear you must divide the speed of sound by the full wavelength.
Thanks for your reply.

So the wavelength has to be twice the length of the pipe because the pipe is open on both sides? So the fundamental frequency corresponds to the actual length of the pipe?

How would this be solved if the pipe were closed on one end?
 
BadDriver said:
How would this be solved if the pipe were closed on one end?
In that case, how much of a wavelength (at fundamental frequency) would fit in the pipe?
 
haruspex said:
In that case, how much of a wavelength (at fundamental frequency) would fit in the pipe?

1/4 wavelength?

Also, was the rest of the conclusion earlier correct?
 
BadDriver said:
1/4 wavelength?
Yes.
 
BadDriver said:
the fundamental frequency corresponds to the actual length of the pipe?
It might be clearer to think in terms of the "fundamental wavelength", i.e. the longest wavelength which can be produced. That is related, on the one hand, to the pipe length and its number of closed ends, and on the other to the fundamental frequency by the speed of sound in air.
 

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