MHB Reverse direction for complex functions

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The discussion focuses on demonstrating the relationship between integrals of complex functions over reversed limits, specifically that \( \int_{a}^{b} f(z) \,dz = -\int_{b}^{a} f(z) \,dz \). It highlights the importance of whether the function \( f(z) \) is analytic, as this affects the path of integration in the complex plane. If \( f(z) \) has singularities, the integral's value can depend on the chosen path, which complicates the application of the relationship. The participants express confusion about the necessity of parameterizing or expanding \( f(z) \) when the integral's behavior is already understood through Cauchy's Integral Theorem. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes that without the assumption of analyticity, the relationship may not hold true.
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An exercise asks to show $ \int_{a}^{b}f(z) \,dz = -\int_{b}^{a}f(z) \,dz $
I can remember this for real functions, something like $ G(x) = \int_{a}^{b}f(x) \,dx = G(b) - G(a), \therefore \int_{b}^{a}f(x) \,dx = G(a) - G(b) = -\int_{a}^{b}f(x) \,dx $

I have seen 2 approaches, either parametizing w.r.t t or expanding z=u+iv, what I don't understand is why I need to paramatise/expand f(z)? Both of those approaches also have complex intergrands, so why does the paramatise/expand step make a difference?
 
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ognik said:
Hi

An exercise asks to show $ \int_{a}^{b}f(z) \,dz = -\int_{b}^{a}f(z) \,dz $
I can remember this for real functions, something like $ G(x) = \int_{a}^{b}f(x) \,dx = G(b) - G(a), \therefore \int_{b}^{a}f(x) \,dx = G(a) - G(b) = -\int_{a}^{b}f(x) \,dx $

I have seen 2 approaches, either parametizing w.r.t t or expanding z=u+iv, what I don't understand is why I need to paramatise/expand f(z)? Both of those approaches also have complex intergrands, so why does the paramatise/expand step make a difference?

If the integral $\displaystyle \int_{a}^{b} f(z)\ d z$ does not depend on the path connecting a and b in the complex plane, then f(z) is analytic in the whole complex plane and effectively is $\displaystyle \int_{a}^{b} f(z)\ d z = - \int_{b}^{a} f(z)\ d z$...

... otherwise, i.e. if f(z) has some singularities in the complex plane, that may be not true...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Thanks χ σ , but the exercise doesn't specify that f(z) is analytic.

Maybe more context would help - it appears just after a section on Cauchys Integral theorem.

That section also says: "A consequence of the Cauchy integral theorem is that for analytic functions the line integral is a function only of its end points, independent of the path of integration," - which would surely mean I could directly use the same argument I used for real functions above, WITHOUT paramatising or expanding, wouldn't it?
 
ognik said:
Thanks χ σ , but the exercise doesn't specify that f(z) is analytic.

Maybe more context would help - it appears just after a section on Cauchys Integral theorem.

That section also says: "A consequence of the Cauchy integral theorem is that for analytic functions the line integral is a function only of its end points, independent of the path of integration," - which would surely mean I could directly use the same argument I used for real functions above, WITHOUT paramatising or expanding, wouldn't it?

The difference between integrating in $\mathbb {R}$ and integrate in $\mathbb {C}$ is that in the second case it must be generally specify not only the limits of integration a and b, but also the path that connects a and b...

Let's consider the following illustrative example taking $f(z) = \frac{1}{z}, a=1, b=-1$ and suppose to choose as path of integration the upper half cirle of the figure...
http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/c2/c2/286260055773790914/i286260064307432655._szw1280h1280_.jpg

Setting $\displaystyle z=e^{i\ \theta}$ we have...

$\displaystyle \int_{1}^{-1} \frac{d z}{z} = i\ \int_{0}^{\pi} d \theta = i\ \pi\ (1)$

Now we have to integrate from -1 to 1 and, among other, we have the opportunity to choose two different paths...

a) the upper half circle in the figure, i.e. the reverse path than the previous case, and we have...

$\displaystyle \int_{-1}^{1} \frac{d z}{z} = i\ \int_{\pi}^{0} d \theta = - i\ \pi\ (2)$

... so that Your relation is verified...

b) the bottom half circle of the figure and we have...

$\displaystyle \int_{- 1}^{1} \frac{d z}{z} = i\ \int_{\pi}^{2\ \pi} d \theta = i\ \pi\ (3)$

... and Your relation isn't verified...

The reason of that is that the function $f(z)= \frac{1}{z}$ is not analytic in the whole complex plan, having a singularity in z=0...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Thanks χ σ ,
I know that if a function is complex analytic, it is independent of the path - so it seems to me I have no other option but to assume F(z) is analytic?

My concern is that the solutions I have seen either expand the function (u,v) or parametise it (t) - and then conclude that the reverse integral does change sign. But my logic says - if the function is not analytic, then neither expanding nor parametising will suddenly make it analytic?
 
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