Right hand rule charged particle direction question

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The discussion revolves around the motion of two charged particles in a uniform magnetic field, specifically focusing on their circular orbits and the implications of their charge signs. Participants are exploring the relationship between mass, radius, and charge direction using the right-hand rule.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between mass, radius, and charge using the formula for circular motion. Questions are raised about determining the direction of velocity and force, particularly in relation to the right-hand rule.

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Some participants are providing insights into the relationship between centripetal force and charge sign, while others express confusion about applying the right-hand rule to find the direction of velocity and force. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved without a clear consensus on the interpretation of the right-hand rule.

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1. Two charged particles are traveling in circular orbits with the same speed in a region of uniform magnetic field that is directed into the page, as shown. The magnitude of the charge on each particle is identical but the signs of the charges are unequal. Which one of the entries in the table below is correct?
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The correct answer is B

I understand that the m1>m2 just by using the formula:
r=mv/qB where I canceled the v and B and was left with
m=r*q so b.c the m1 radius is bigger it has a larger mass




2. I don't understand how to find the sign of the charge. Using the right hand rule I know that the field is going into the page but where is the velocity going or the force? I can't figure out their directions.
 
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Since both particles are moving on a circular path, there must be centripetal force. This force is given by:
$$\vec{F_{m}}=q(\vec{v}\times\vec{B})$$
here ##q## is inclusive of charge. That means direction of force would also depend on sign of charge. You know the direction of every quantity, the sign of charge which is consistent with the direction of Force would be the required sign. I hope this clears out things!

Edit: direction of force would be towards center (hence the term "centripetal") and direction of velocity is given in the diagram by arrow. Velocity is always tangential to its path and hence to the circle.
 
Hi, I don't understand how to find the direction of force..
I don't know what way to point my fingers for the velocity.
 
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Hi, I don't understand how to find the direction of force..
I don't know what way to point my fingers for the velocity.
The direction of force is implicitly given, a body cannot move in circular path unless a force towards the center acts on it. You need to revise circle motion to understand why that is.

you can always pick any point on the circle. The direction of velocity is tangent of the circle and it is indicated by arrow in the diagram. Find the direction of cross product. if it points towards the center then ##q## must be positive otherwise it will be negative.
 

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