Rigid Body Physics: Box on Plane Simulations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simulating the physics of a box on a plane, particularly focusing on the initial conditions required for motion, rotation, and interaction with surfaces. Participants explore various approaches to modeling rigid body dynamics, including both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about starting a physics simulation for a box on a plane, feeling overwhelmed by abstract formulas and seeking practical guidance.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding Newton's laws and their rotational equivalents is essential, emphasizing the need to track position, velocity, angle, and rotational speed, and to update these based on forces and torques.
  • A different approach is proposed involving spring-based solutions, which may simplify the implementation by treating the box as a system of springs and using a verlet integration scheme.
  • One participant raises a question about the initial conditions of the box, specifically whether it starts at rest, and discusses the need to calculate free fall motion and the effects of impulse reactions upon interaction with surfaces.
  • There is mention of the importance of the moment of inertia, impulse load, and moment arm in understanding the box's motion and rotation upon impact.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and ideas, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method for simulating the box's motion. The discussion remains open with various perspectives on how to tackle the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about initial conditions, such as whether the box is at rest or in motion, remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions and parameters, such as moment of inertia and forces involved.

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Hi, I am new to these forums so i hope I am putting this in the right place...

I am completely lost with how to even start a simple box on plane physics simulation. I've read dozens of formulas and tutorials, I understand them mostly but they all seem very abstract in the sense of how to use the information they provide. Say i had a box, over top of 2 platforms like the image in the attachment. Starting from absolute ground zero, no set anything, just a blank picture, what must be calculated in order to get the box moving initially, fall ontothe ledge and calculate rotation, and do everything it should do? Please don't say to do more research or take a course because I've been through grade 11 and 12 physics and read dozens of formulas and tutorials on rigid body dynamics but theyre all so abstract that I just can't get useful information out of them. Please help me, I am so lost on this topic and have spent weeks researching it without breaking any ground :confused:
 

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Have you read about Newton's laws and their rotational equivalents? Basically, you will need to keep track of your box's position, velocity, angle, and rotational speed. Then the box will be acted on by forces and torques. At each point in time you use the force and torque to update the velocity and rotational speed, and you use the velocity and rotational speed to update the position and angle.
 
i would suggest that you try and look into spring based solutions. they are often easier to implement and are also very scalable. You could treat the box as a few springs with high spring coefficient (giving illusion of rigidness), and just use verlet integration scheme to move it around.
 
It's difficult to help one without knowing one's experience.

With regard to the given problem is the box initially at rest and then released, in which case it has no initial vertical velocity, and one simply calculates the motion of the box in free fall.

This might be useful - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/traj.html

and

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mot.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mi.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/inecon.html

When the box interacts with a solid surface, there will be an impulse reaction, so one needs to know the moment of inertia of box, the impulse load/force and the moment arm.

The box the rotates and falls untils it hits the second surface, so there is both rectilinear motion (free fall) and rotational motion.
 

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