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The discussion centers on Example 5.2.1 from Stephen Lovett's "Abstract Algebra: Structures and Applications," specifically regarding the ring $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$ and its characterization as the smallest subring of $$\mathbb{Q}$$ containing both the integers and the element $$\frac{1}{2}$$. Participants explore the proof of this characterization and the implications of ring extensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter questions how Lovett demonstrates that the set $$\{ \frac{k}{ 2^n} \ | \ k,n \in \mathbb{Z} \}$$ is precisely the ring $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$.
  • One participant suggests using induction on positive integers to show that $$\frac{1}{2^n}$$ belongs to any subring of $$\mathbb{Q}$$ that contains $$\frac{1}{2}$$ and the integers.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to show that the set $$\{ \frac{k}{ 2^n} \ | \ k,n \in \mathbb{Z} \}$$ is the smallest subring containing $$\frac{1}{2}$$ and the integers.
  • A participant explains the concept of the smallest element in a partially ordered set, applying it to the set of subrings of $$\mathbb{Q}$$ that contain $$\frac{1}{2}$$ and the integers.
  • Some participants argue that if the set were not the smallest ring, it would lead to a contradiction based on the closure properties of rings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof of the characterization of $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$. While some agree on the inductive approach and the closure properties, others seek further clarification on establishing the set as the smallest subring.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the explicit and rigorous demonstration of the set being the smallest subring, as well as the implications of ring extensions in this context.

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I am reading Stephen Lovett's book, "Abstract Algebra: Structures and Applications" and am currently focused on Chapter 5 ...

I need some help with Example 5.2.1 in Section 5.2: Rings Generated by Elements ...
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In the Introduction to Section 5.2.1 (see text above) Lovett writes:

" ... ... $$R$$ denotes the smallest (by inclusion) subring of $$A$$ that contains both $$R$$ and $$S$$ ... ... "Then, a bit later, in Example 5.2.1 concerning the ring $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$ Lovett writes:" ... ... It is not hard to show that the set$$\{ \frac{k}{ 2^n} \ | \ k.n \in \mathbb{Z} \}$$is a subring of $$\mathbb{Q}$$. Hence, this set is precisely the ring $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$ ... ... ... "BUT ...

How has Lovett actually shown that the set $$\{ \frac{k}{ 2^n} \ | \ k,n \in \mathbb{Z} \}$$ as a subring of $$\mathbb{Q}$$ is actually (precisely in Lovett's words) the ring $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$ ... ... ?

... ... according to his introduction which I quoted Lovett says that the ring $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$ is the smallest (by inclusion) subring of $$\mathbb{Q}$$ that contains $$\mathbb{Z}$$ and $$\frac{1}{2}$$ ... ...Can someone please explain to me exactly how Lovett has demonstrated this ... ...

... and ... if Lovett has not clearly proved this can someone please demonstrate a proof ...Just one further clarification ... is Lovett here dealing with ring extensions ... ... ?

Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 
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Let R be any subring of the rationals Q that contains both 1/2 and the integers. Let n be any positive integer; induct on n to show ${1\over 2^n}\in R$. (Inductive step: ${1\over 2^n}\in R$ implies ${1\over 2}{1\over 2^n}\in R$ since R is closed under products. Also if n is any non-positive integer, ${1\over 2^n}=2^{-n}$ is an integer and so belongs to R. Again since R is closed under products, $k{1\over 2^n}\in R$. So the given subring is a subset of R.
 
johng said:
Let R be any subring of the rationals Q that contains both 1/2 and the integers. Let n be any positive integer; induct on n to show ${1\over 2^n}\in R$. (Inductive step: ${1\over 2^n}\in R$ implies ${1\over 2}{1\over 2^n}\in R$ since R is closed under products. Also if n is any non-positive integer, ${1\over 2^n}=2^{-n}$ is an integer and so belongs to R. Again since R is closed under products, $k{1\over 2^n}\in R$. So the given subring is a subset of R.
Thanks for the help johng ...

But i am still a bit puzzled ... I think we have to show that $$\{ \frac{k}{ 2^n} \ | \ k.n \in \mathbb{Z} \}$$ is actually the smallest subring of $$\mathbb{Q}$$ that contains both $$\frac{1}{2}$$ and $$\mathbb{Z}$$ ... ... thus making it equal to or identified with $$\mathbb{Z} [ \frac{1}{2} ]$$ ... ...

How do we accomplish this explicitly and rigorously ...

Can you help further ...

Peter
 
You have to understand what is meant by the smallest element of a partially ordered set S. This is an element m of S such that $m\leq s$ for any $s\in S$. For example let S be the set of positive even integers ordered by $\leq$. Then 2 is the smallest element of S. How do you prove this?

Let s be any positive even integer. Then s=2q for some $q\geq 1$, and so $2\leq 2q=s$.

Then the above applies directly to the partially ordered set S of subrings of Q that contain 1/2 and the integers (the order on S is $\subseteq$). In my previous post, I said let R be any subring that contains 1/2 and the integers; i.e. let R be any element of S. I proved
$$\{{k\over 2^n}\,: k,n\in Z\}\subseteq R\}$$
 
Suppose \{\frac{k}{2^n}|k,n\in Z\} were not the smallest ring containing \frac{1}{2} and all integers. That is, there exist some ring, S, that is smaller. Then there must be some integers, k and n, such that \frac{k}{2^n} that is not in S. But, as johng showed, since \frac{1}{2} is in the set, by the multiplication is closed, and induction on n, \frac{1}{2^n} is in the set. And then, since k is an integer \frac{k}{2^n} is in the set, contradicting the statement that \frac{k}{2^n} is not in the set.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Suppose \{\frac{k}{2^n}|k,n\in Z\} were not the smallest ring containing \frac{1}{2} and all integers. That is that, the exist some ring, S, that is smaller. Then there must be some integers, k and n, such that \frac{k}{2^n} that is not in S. But, as johng showed, since \frac{1}{2} is in the set, by the multiplication is closed, and induction on n, \frac{1}{2^n} is in the set. And then, since multiplication is closed and the integer k is closed, \frac{k}{2^n} is in the set, contradicting the statement that \frac{k}{2^n} is not in the set.
Well! ... that is a thoroughly convincing proof!

Thanks HallsofIvy ... really helpful ...

Peter
 

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