Rocket ship speed and relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of relative velocity in the context of special relativity, specifically addressing the scenario of two rocket ships traveling at 0.5c in opposite directions. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on perceived speeds and the application of velocity addition formulas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether they would be perceived as traveling at the speed of light (c) relative to another rocket traveling in the opposite direction at 0.5c, acknowledging the limitations of Galilean transformations.
  • Another participant suggests that the concept of mass may vary depending on the forces considered, proposing that the perception of mass could influence how one rocket perceives another.
  • A later reply confirms that Galilean transformations are not applicable at high speeds and introduces the relativistic velocity addition formula, stating that the speed of the other rocket relative to the observer would be 0.8c.
  • Participants inquire whether a stationary observer would see the two rockets approaching each other at the speed of light, with one response affirming this as the "closing velocity."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of relativistic principles, with some agreeing on the need for relativistic velocity addition while others explore different interpretations of mass and perception. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of mass perception in this context.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of mass in relativistic contexts and the need for clarity on the application of relativistic formulas versus classical mechanics.

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ok I know that nothing with mass can travel at c but i have to ask this question.
if I am in a rocket ship traveling at .5c and another rocket ship is traveling at .5c in the opposite direction then am I traveling at c relative to him . Probably Galilean transformations don’t work in this situation and I am probably missing something can you guys help me out.
 
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Now I don't have its answer but I will tell you as I get an adequate amount of time. o:)
 
Well, I was reading in another thread that nothing actually has an absolute mass. It depends on which force you're considering (that is applied on that mass). for example, a nuetron's gravitational mass and nuclear mass may have slightly different values.

I think the same thing goes here. The guy in the other rocket ship will percieve you as a massless entity, but, somebody who is stationary wrt both of you, will not.

Just a fleeting thought... I haven't verified this from anywhere.
 
cragar said:
ok I know that nothing with mass can travel at c but i have to ask this question.
if I am in a rocket ship traveling at .5c and another rocket ship is traveling at .5c in the opposite direction then am I traveling at c relative to him . Probably Galilean transformations don’t work in this situation and I am probably missing something can you guys help me out.
You are correct that Galilean transformations don't work with such high speeds. You need to use relativistic velocity addition (derived from the Lorentz transformations):

<br /> V_{a/c} = \frac{V_{a/b} + V_{b/c}}{1 + (V_{a/b} V_{b/c})/c^2}<br />

The speed of the other rocket with respect to you will be 0.8c, not c.
 
thanks for the answer .
 
Would a stationary observer see them coming together at a rate of c?
 
Zula110100100 said:
Would a stationary observer see them coming together at a rate of c?

Yes. This is called the "closing velocity".
 

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