Rocketship problem- fuel burn and gravity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the trajectory of a rocket taking off from a planet with no atmosphere, focusing on the effects of fuel burn and gravity. The challenge lies in the changing mass of the rocket as fuel is consumed, complicating the equations of motion. Participants suggest using energy density and differential equations to derive the rocket's distance over time, acknowledging the need for numerical integration due to the complexity of the variables. Key equations involve thrust force, gravitational force, and mass as functions of time, with attempts to establish a relationship between fuel energy and maximum height. The conversation highlights the intricate balance between thrust, gravitational pull, and mass loss during the rocket's ascent.
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Consider a spaceship, initially at rest on the surface of a planet that has no atmosphere. It takes off with constant force from thrust. The fuel mass decreases linearly with time, and the rocket accelerates directly away from the planet (no curving off orbit the planet). Use GMm/r^2 for gravitational force. Produce an equation describing the rocket's distance from the planet for all time from 0 when the rocket starts to burn fuel until it runs out of fuel.

I came up with this problem a while ago for fun, but it turned out to be much harder than I had imagined. The method that got me the farthest is energy density.
 
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There was an earlier thread somewhat similar to this. The math got really nasty, and if I recall, the variables couldn't be separated to form a proper equation. This could be one of those cases where differential equations and numerical intergration are needed.
 
I was afraid it would be something like that. If someone could show how that would be done, I would appreciate it.
 
E_{f}=∫_{R}^{R+h}[G⋅((M⋅m)/(r²))dr] ===> (integral from R to R+h and E_{f}=Fuel energy)


E_{f}=G⋅M⋅m⋅(h/(R(R+h)))


is it the solution?? By calculating the fuel energy in terms of joule and defining R, you can find the maximum height i guess...
 
MrEnergy said:
E_{f}=∫_{R}^{R+h}[G⋅((M⋅m)/(r²))dr] ===> (integral from R to R+h and E_{f}=Fuel energy) is it the solution??
No, because "m" decreases as fuel is burnt.
 
That can't tell you where you are at a given time, and you didn't take loss of mass into account. Mass loss is accompanied by kinetic energy loss
 
oh sorry i forgot! bad mistake:P

Anyways I have remade my answer and found a very long one. All the integrals might need to change into sum!Don't know if it's correct... but this is what i found:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9630/spaceshipum6.th.jpg http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php




i)The mass function depending on time is: M(t)=-(w/t0)

t+q+w ==> where q=mass of spaceship and w=initial mass

of fuel.(t0 is the time that fuel ends)

ii)let the thrust force be F, a be the acceleration of

spaceship;
F-M(t)g(t)=M(t)a then,(since mass and gravitational force changes over time)
(F/M(t))-g(t)=a(t) ===>if V is the velocity of spaceship then;

V=at so the V function depending on time is;
V(t)=[(F/M(t))-g(t)]t

iii)integral(from 0 to t0)[V(t)dt]+integral(from t0 to t1)[g(t)tdt]==>gives the maximum height reached.

to find t1 we use;

(1/2)g(t)(t1-t0)2=integral(from 0 to t0)[V(t)dt]

iv)We have to define g(t) if the missile gets too high because then the g would change of course, but if not we can use "g" and not bother rest.

g(t)=GMM(t)/(R+integral(from 0 to t)[V(t)dt])2 ===>V(t) explained later

v)Finally since F is constant(till fuel ends up) and we

know the dx(maximum height) we can now equlize the E_{f}

(fuel energy) to F*dx

F*dx=E_{f} i think that gives it. only t is variable.

others like q, w, t0 ... are constant.But the

integration might be changed into a sum if needed. It got a little messy but ill put some graphs to make it clearer.Hope its correct now.
 
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