Rolling Motion on Rough Surfaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of friction in maintaining rolling motion on rough surfaces, particularly whether friction is necessary once an object is already rolling without slipping. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to rolling motion and frictional forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that once an object is rolling on a horizontal surface, no static friction is required to maintain that motion.
  • Others express confusion regarding the necessity of friction, suggesting that friction arises from the interaction between the surface and the object, questioning how rolling could occur without it.
  • A participant proposes an abstract scenario where the object's rotation matches its forward speed, implying that friction may not be needed in such a case.
  • Another point raised is that at the point of contact during rolling, the velocity becomes zero, indicating no relative motion and thus no friction acting at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of friction for maintaining rolling motion, with multiple competing views presented regarding its role and implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss assumptions about ideal conditions, such as a perfectly horizontal surface and the absence of other forces like deformation or rolling resistance, which may affect the conclusions drawn.

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Friction is necessary to make motion rolling but if the body is already in rolling motion on rough surface without slipping then, is friction necessary to continue the rolling motion ?
 
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paragchitnis said:
Friction is necessary to make motion rolling but if the body is already in rolling motion on rough surface without slipping then, is friction necessary to continue the rolling motion ?
No, not if the surface is horizontal. Once an object is rolling along a horizontal surface, no static friction is required to maintain that rolling motion. (Of course, in 'real life' deformation and rolling friction will slow the object down.)
 
I am confused on the same thing.
Friction force occurs due to cold locking between the crests and troughs of rough surface and the surface of the body. So without such locking, how could it roll?
 
a.ratnaparkhi said:
Friction force occurs due to cold locking between the crests and troughs of rough surface and the surface of the body. So without such locking, how could it roll?
In an abstract, imaginary situation, the object would just happen to be rotating at a rate where it's circumference surface speed is the same as the speed that the object is moving forwards.
 
Once the body starts rolling then velocity at point of contact become zero. Hence there is no relative motion between body and surface at that point and hence no friction.
 

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