Rolling resistance coefficient on sand

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the rolling resistance coefficient for a specific tire size (37/12.5 R37) on sand, considering various factors that influence this coefficient. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects related to vehicle performance in sandy conditions, including tire pressure, vehicle design, and sand characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the purpose of calculating rolling resistance, suggesting it may relate to vehicle autonomy.
  • Factors affecting rolling resistance include tire pressure, wheel loading, type of sand, and vehicle velocity, as noted by several participants.
  • Another participant mentions that all-wheel drive can reduce rolling resistance by preventing tires from digging into the sand.
  • There are suggestions to maximize wheel diameter and tire width while using low tire pressure to increase the contact patch area.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential damage to tires when traveling at high speeds over rocky ground if tire pressure is lowered for sand conditions.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the type of sand, noting that windblown sand may pose additional challenges.
  • Dynamic effects at high speeds are discussed, with one participant suggesting that rolling resistance may increase significantly if the vehicle slows down.
  • One participant states that without characterizing the sand, it may be necessary to assume a rolling resistance coefficient of 1.00 while the vehicle is moving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the factors influencing rolling resistance, and no consensus is reached regarding a specific coefficient or method for calculation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific information about the type of sand and its properties, as well as the dependence on tire pressure and vehicle design choices. The discussion also highlights the need for empirical testing to better understand the conditions affecting rolling resistance.

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Rolling resistance coefficient on sand tyre 37/12.5 R37
Hello I,d like to find or to calculate Rolling resistance coefficient on sand tyre 37/12.5 R37. Thanks for your help
 
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Welcome to PF.
There are several factors here.
Why do you need to calculate rolling resistance?
What range of tyre pressure, wheel loading, driven or lazy axle?
What type of sand, stability angle, moisture content?
Vehicle velocity?
 
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Interesting to see that resistance coefficient increases with tire pressure on sand.
 
Thanks for your reply

Baluncore said:
Welcome to PF.
There are several factors here.
Why do you need to calculate rolling resistance?
=> to have an estimation about autonomy of a vehicle
What range of tyre pressure, wheel loading, driven or lazy axle?
The 4 wheels of a 4X4
What type of sand, stability angle, moisture content?
=>I don't know = The vehicle will be used in the South America desert
Vehicle velocity?
=>95 km/h (max 180 km/h)

Have a nice day
 
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jeromedynamics said:
Why do you need to calculate rolling resistance?
=> to have an estimation about autonomy of a vehicle
Autonomy or economy? Travelling at speed over sand will be very inefficient.

jeromedynamics said:
What range of tyre pressure, wheel loading, driven or lazy axle?
The 4 wheels of a 4X4
All-wheel-drive will reduce rolling resistance because it will help prevent the tyres digging holes, bogging down, and the vehicle sinking.
To lower rolling resistance over sand, maximise the wheel diameter and tyre width, (but you have fixed those parameters as 37/12.5 R37), so you must use a low tyre pressure to increase the area of the contact patch. The tyres will be destroyed if you then travel fast over rocky ground without increasing the pressure. Reduce the total weight of the vehicle. Improve the suspension to reduce ground impact.

jeromedynamics said:
What type of sand, stability angle, moisture content?
=>I don't know = The vehicle will be used in the South America desert
You will need to investigate the sand. Windblown sand will be a problem.
To experiment, get some rounded bedding sand that flows, to compare with some sharp sand used for mortar. Test the slope before they flow when dry, then when wet.

jeromedynamics said:
Vehicle velocity?
=>95 km/h (max 180 km/h)
There are dynamic effects. At high speed you may float over the sand before it has time to flow, but if you slow down, the sand will move and rolling resistance may be greatly increased. The tuning of the suspension will be very important.

If you cannot characterise the sand, you will be unable to estimate rolling resistance, and so must assume it to be 1.00 while the vehicle still moving, before it bogs.
 

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