Rotating ring on a rough surface- but with a twist

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a ring with two fixed masses rolling on a rough surface. The original poster is confused about the direction of friction and how to calculate the angular acceleration, frictional force, and normal reaction. Participants suggest using the parallel axis theorem and drawing free body diagrams (FBD) to analyze the forces and torques acting on the system. The conversation emphasizes the importance of identifying the instantaneous axis of rotation and considering the entire assembly's moment of inertia to solve the problem effectively. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of rotational dynamics in systems with varying mass distributions.
  • #151
TSny said:
The CM moves on a circle that slips on the ##\frac 4 5 R ## line as the ring rolls.
Yes, of course. You cannot have a yoyo-like object rolling without slipping on its inner and outer radius simultaneously. That's something that I pointed out to someone not too long ago but I forgot my own lesson. Thanks for pointing it out.

My plot in #102 (appended below for convenience) shows the path followed by a point (a) on the rim (blue line); (b) the CM at ##\frac{1}{5} R## (red line); (c) the center of the ring (dashed black line). Coordinates ##x## and ##y## are in units of ##R##.

Now that you mentioned it, I remember seeing curtate in some course or other decades ago. It didn't stick.

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  • #152
palaphys said:
Homework Statement: A ring initially at rest begins to roll (pure rolling) on a rough horizontal floor. It has two masses, m and 2m fixed at diametric points, as shown in the figure. If the mass of the ring is 2m, find the:
1. Angular acceleration of the ring
2. Frictional force acting on the ring
3. Normal reaction on the ring
Relevant Equations: Tau= I alpha ,
v= wr

Honestly, I was very confused looking at the problem. With intuition, it is clear that the ring will roll towards the right. But what direction would friction be acting in? That was my first thought.
However I am unable to figure this out, leaving me stuck here.

My only attempt here was to find the com of the ring, which may be useful somehow.
$$\[
\begin{align}
X_{\text{com}} &= \frac{(2m \cdot 0) + (m \cdot (-R)) + (2m \cdot R)}{5m} \\
&= \frac{0 - mR + 2mR}{5m} \\
&= \frac{mR}{5m} \\
&= \frac{R}{5}
\end{align}
$$

I humbly request someone to aid me in this problem and explain the mechanics here, thanks in advance. I'm only used to seeing rings roll where com coincides with geometric center.
here is the official solution:
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