Rotational Dynamics Homework Help

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The discussion revolves around a problem in rotational dynamics, specifically focusing on the energy considerations of a system involving multiple masses and their kinetic and potential energies. Participants are examining the relationships between rotational kinetic energy, translational kinetic energy, and gravitational potential energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the correctness of the original poster's setup regarding energy equations and whether to include potential energy in their calculations. There are discussions about the initial and final energies of the system and how to account for multiple interacting masses.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting to write out the energy equations fully. There is a recognition of ambiguity in the problem statement, and participants are exploring different interpretations of the energy components involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity in the problem regarding the inclusion of potential energy and the choice of reference point for gravitational potential energy. Participants are also addressing the complexity introduced by multiple masses in the system.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



RKE = .5iw^2
TKE = .5mv^2
U = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


is my setup correct?

mgh = RKE +TKE
mgh = .5Iw^2 + .5mv^2

do i just total up the RKE and TKE for both the objects?[/B]
 

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This question is vague. It doesn't say whether to include the potential energy in the result. Nevertheless, you have to press onward and guess what they want. They probably want the kinetic energy of mass 2 at the moment it is 10 cm below the starting point.

To do this, you should write the initial and final energies and set them equal to each other. The initial energy can simply be set to 0.
The final energy will consist of: potential energy of the two masses, kinetic energy of the two masses, rotational kinetic energy of the shaft. Write them out fully.
 
lc99 said:
is my setup correct?
Your attempt is too vague to be sure.
E.g. your energy equations look like they are for a single isolated mass, but here there are three masses interacting.
Please post further work.
 
Khashishi said:
They probably want the kinetic energy of mass 2 at the moment it is 10 cm below the starting point.
I agree.
 
Khashishi said:
This question is vague. It doesn't say whether to include the potential energy in the result. Nevertheless, you have to press onward and guess what they want. They probably want the kinetic energy of mass 2 at the moment it is 10 cm below the starting point.

To do this, you should write the initial and final energies and set them equal to each other. The initial energy can simply be set to 0.
The final energy will consist of: potential energy of the two masses, kinetic energy of the two masses, rotational kinetic energy of the shaft. Write them out fully.
How come the intial energy is 0? there is gravitational potential energy though
 
The potential energy has an arbitrary choice of zero. You can set it to anything you want. 0 was just a suggestion.
 

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